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Pagan Coffee Talk
I Want My Letter Back & Ritual or Tupperware Party
As we unpack the controversies surrounding the LGBTQ organization, we explore the importance of parents being involved in their children's education and living within our means. We dive into the rich history and modern challenges of paganism, touching on the connections between this spiritual path and the LGBT community. We also discuss the possibility of splitting apart from what the organization has become.
Finally, we delve into the world of pagan festivals, exposing the gossip and materialism that often overshadow true rituals and spiritual practices. We emphasize the importance of authenticity in religious spaces. We also discuss the difference between materialism and spirituality. Don't miss this engaging episode that sparks important discussions on culture, spirituality, and values.
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Welcome to Peg and Coffee Talk. Here are your hosts, Oswin and Lord Knight. Today's topic is the LGBTQ organization.
Speaker 2:Can we start a can, seriously, can we start? can the gay community, can gay men and lesbians start an actual thing to get our letters taken off of this?
Speaker 1:I'm okay with that.
Speaker 2:I don't know who in the world you have to call to say, hey, add this letters or whatever. Can we un-add them?
Speaker 1:I don't know, is there?
Speaker 2:is there. I mean because I'm sorry. I do not want to be associated with MAP. No, all right. And for those who don't know, map is minor attracted people Don't do that. No.
Speaker 1:Well, and quite frankly also and this is just me I don't necessarily want to be associated with the non-binary group of people. I don't necessarily want to be associated with, you know, all those other letters that they've recently added in the past five years.
Speaker 2:Well, even when it was just That's not my crowd. Well, if you remember, like back in the 80s and stuff, for the longest time, for the longest time we tried as a community the gay and lesbian and bisexuals We tried our best to distance ourselves from the tease. Yes, because it wasn't to us. It's not real. I'm sorry, you can't sit there and just decide you're a man or a woman. Right.
Speaker 2:It don't work like that. There are physical laws you cannot, that you cannot change, right? So we wanted to distance ourselves from that, but yet we're still shoved in there with the rest of them, right? Because I mean. I don't know how. I've watched some of these podcasts and stuff. Like you know, kim poll and yeah, i keep on seeing them use the slippery slope with actual, real results.
Speaker 1:What do you mean by that?
Speaker 2:Well, i mean well, first they want a gay marriage, then, as soon as we got gay marriage, then you're gonna have sort of teaching Ben gay in school.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, and see, i don't agree with that either.
Speaker 2:Alright, i mean I don't see why it needs to be taught in schools.
Speaker 1:Well, nothing needs to be taught. I mean where as much a part of history is.
Speaker 2:Well, don't get me wrong. I don't know about you, but me, i'd rather do homeschooling. I'd rather there be homeschooling than actual public schools. Alright, I just I don't like public schools. I don't like the fact that you have a union telling kids what in the world to use. It's not about what in the world a union wants to teach you. It's about what in the world kids need to be taught. Parents need to have that authority.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, i mean, i'm not. I'm not against public schools, i'm not against private schools, necessarily, but I think that parents need to be more involved in what their kids are learning. They need to know what's going on in their schools and they need to have a say.
Speaker 2:This brings in this whole long, long line of logic of a. We need to bring all these jobs back to the United States that we sent to China and all these other places so people can work here. So one person in a household can support four to five people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you got to do something about the economy now, because one, one income is just not going to suffice with the way the things are.
Speaker 2:But again, you need to live with inside your means. Yes, i think they need to change the laws and the tax stuff to wear in the world. If you have a spouse at home, right Yeah, that you can claim that person as a dependent. If you're paying all their bills, right, that way you know, even if that person's like got a part-time job or something, you can still claim them because you're paying for the majority.
Speaker 1:Well, that would certainly help, but I'm just saying what the way inflation is right now. One income is not the easiest thing to do right now.
Speaker 2:Well, you know, i'm still back to the whole entire pagan kind of philosophy of life. Most of us should be homesteading anyway and still interacting with the world at the same time.
Speaker 1:Well, sure, all right, that's a fine line, that's a fine line.
Speaker 2:That's a different thing there because, you know, i think pagan families should be more close-knit than what they are now.
Speaker 1:Right Refer back to pagan family values.
Speaker 2:But you see what I'm saying? it's just some of the stuff that they're pushing. Don't make no sense. It goes against nature. Yeah, all right, and again we still have. All these people are like hey, you know, this is part of nature. I'm sorry, homosexuality is part of nature. We see it in nature. We see it in other animals. Sure, it is. Yeah, so it's part of the world. Sorry, but at the end of the day, there's no way I can give birth to someone. No, absolutely not. Men cannot give. But yet this is what this LGBT community is telling us. We went from hey, no, we just want rights, we just want to live our lives in peace and nobody bother us. Right To oh, now you have to accept our lifestyle and everything about us. Why, at the same time, none of us accept everything that the straight community does?
Speaker 1:No, but we, we don't really do anything against them for it.
Speaker 2:so I mean, But no, i've seen it rallying up against traditional values and yeah, in recent years yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean because, again, most people, when you hear that traditional value, oh no, no, that means all the guys have to go back into the closet in the whole nine yards. Again, people, we're not talking about moving that far back. We're talking about actual steady values. People need to defend each other. People need to stand up. The strong needs to defend the weak Right. We need to hold our cops accountable and make sure that they're doing their jobs and not taking advantage of their positions.
Speaker 2:Well, and we need to hold, and along that line, we also need to hold our government accountable, because, after all, they're supposed to be working for us Right and when they don't do what they say, when they lie to you, when they become warlocks and break their words Right, stop voting for them Again. I keep on seeing the same thing from this organization is less about human rights anymore and more about politics in what in the world they won't want in the world they think they want? the LGBT community. It's not about the individual groups anymore.
Speaker 1:Right, and if you're, and if you're speaking politic wise as far as the whole alphabet suit goes you're also looking at, the more they try to push things down everybody's throats, the more likely it is that we are going to be pushed back into those times where we did have to go back into the closet where we couldn't be as visible because people are doing the same. They're gonna wind up doing the same thing they're doing with Dylan Mulvaney and folks like that, where they don't give a shit anymore.
Speaker 2:Well, people don't realize is is that the council culture me and you are the, the alternative culture that we knew is in power right now? Yes, they are the mainstream and this is what they've done. Corporations are good. Listen to the pharmacies. Corporations are good. You need to trust them, right? You need to trust the government. No, you need to do things for yourself.
Speaker 1:Well, and you know, ronald Reagan said it best. The eight most dangerous words in the English language. I'm with the government. I'm here to help.
Speaker 2:And I'm sorry, and even in Christianity, because I've seen a couple of Christians bring this topic up that witchcraft is really that of rebellion. I'm sorry. You cannot be rebellion when you're part of the system, right, when you are the machine, when you are the man.
Speaker 1:Right. That is not being rebellious.
Speaker 2:That's not being rebellious, it's quite the opposite, exactly. All right, i mean, don't get me wrong, i'm not going to sit there. If you're a thin man, be a thin man. Right. Who gives a shit, who gives a? shit If you again, i'm back to how you look if you're a guy and you want to walk around in a dress, go ahead. I'm not going to stop your business your business, your body, i don't care.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to agree with it, but whatever.
Speaker 2:You know, if you want to wear makeup, wear makeup. Who cares? Right, all right. But again, i'm telling you, right now, what I think is going to happen is that one of these people like Dylan Mulvaney or somebody like this, is going to go into the wrong town.
Speaker 2:I think they're all that in a bag of freaking chips and they can't get hurt. Walking to the wrong bathroom, go to take a leak and there'd be some eight year old girl in there that screams off top of the lungs and then you're going to have some redneck dad in there throttling you, calling the police at the same time calling you a child molester Right, that's kind of like. You know, everybody talks about the violence against transgender women. Well, the majority of the times when I hear this is they think they're big and bad and actual women go to straight bars and start picking up straight guys. Right, i'm sorry, that's gay.
Speaker 1:Right, and then if you're not being honest with somebody, you can expect somebody's not going to be happy about that I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:You're taking a drunk, you're taking probably a tipsy straight guy home or going home with them and you expect everything to go swimmingly Right. How stupid can you be? and yet I know there are people out there doing this shit. You can't tell me they're not.
Speaker 1:So question though how does this relate to paganism? how does this relate to what we do as a religion?
Speaker 2:because we do common sense stuff. We believe in the kiss method. It doesn't keep it simple.
Speaker 2:We keep it simple, all right. In other words, it doesn't have to be complicated. The only time people complicate stuff is to make themselves seem smarter. Okay, it doesn't have to be that complex, it's simple. We follow the rules of nature, that's it. You can't break them. Men cannot become women. Women can't become men, and to sit there and pretend that the spiritual realms that some of these people are touching is the same thing as this realm is stupidity upon your part and bad teaching from all these other pagans out there who keep on teaching this stuff.
Speaker 1:What about? what about, like the Native Americans, who have the two-spirit people?
Speaker 2:To me and what I've heard of it, and when I'm thinking about it, and and when you're looking at tribal life, which we, nobody in the United States, knows anymore. Right, all right, in tribal life, you have to keep order. So you have a gay guy there? Well then you're a real feminine. so we're gonna put on a dress and you're gonna act like a woman. big house, that's what you want to do. and if you want to marry this other, brave, that's it. but you're gonna have to be a woman, you're gonna have to be a man. so jobs are split up.
Speaker 1:But what about the argument that these people were elevated spiritually within the tribe?
Speaker 2:I say I've heard that for years, but I've never actually seen any real ring that gaze, or trans, or and even then they're not really trans. Back then, no, all right, trans is a you. It's impossible, right, without our technology. If the world ends tomorrow, all these trans people will start converting back Right, unless what they've had body parts dropped off. So what were they really doing? I think they were really just holding on to their gender roles in society.
Speaker 2:In other words it like if me and you were part of it, they would look at us know, one one person has to do the female roles and if you're gonna do that, you're gonna dress like a female and act like a female. All right. All right, and your brave or your husband needs to act like a husband. again the same roles.
Speaker 1:So we're back to rules of nature.
Speaker 2:Rules of nature, the whole nine yards. And and again, when you're living in a tribe, i'm sorry when you're hunting and gathering, the hunters have to go out and hunt. The women actually have to go out and find food, gather it up and bring it back in large groups. The guy that would have dressed up like a woman would have been doing this with them, right, all right, which actually would probably even be better in that time, because, again, if you're a rival, you know tribe, you just think these are all women and bypass them, right, because you don't attack women. So that guy still gets away with the privileges of being among the women. Why does it have to be any more complicated than that?
Speaker 1:Your guess is as good as mine.
Speaker 2:All right, because and again I could be wrong I probably am, because Native American is not my field of expertise. Nor is it mine by any extent of the imagination. But I'm sorry, this to spirit, i don't think it is as real as everybody thinks it is. It might have been one tribe, but I just I don't see this. I don't see how this works.
Speaker 1:Anybody who's Native American and can explain that go for it. Please do.
Speaker 2:Like I said, the organization that I know is the LGBT community. Mm, hmm. Used to be about something different.
Speaker 1:Yeah Yeah, it used to be a completely different ideology.
Speaker 2:Right, you know, and now they're. it's like they they solve the problem. And I'm sorry when, when the problem was when we got our rights, when we got the right to marry and all that other stuff, this organization should have fell apart. It was done. There was nothing else left for it to do instead. Instead, we have to make more money. So we're going to have to pick up this trans group or this even more niche group to get money. So, again, i don't think this is about actual rights. I think it's about money. These people have worked in these organizations. They can't get jobs anywhere else, i guess. To me, that's all I think it is. They're just wanting more money.
Speaker 1:All right, so this is going to be somewhat of an interesting topic. Ritual or Tupperware Party.
Speaker 2:I've been hearing a lot of this from a lot of students I've interviewed. Uh huh. Here lately They go online, they find a quote, unquote wicking group and go out there to go visit, to go for full moon or Sabbath. Right. They get there and no ritual, no, nothing, but everybody. they're trying to sell you everything from incense to crystals, to everything else. It was more. they keep on saying it's more like a Tupperware Party. Okay, all right.
Speaker 2:And again I'm back to we need to get back to doing rituals and get out of the magic thing.
Speaker 1:And we were just, we were just talking about that last night. This is being recorded right around belting Yeah. Probably not going to air anywhere close to that. But um, but we were just talking about that to somebody in temple, yeah, and it was the same conversation. It was like nobody wants to do ritual anymore.
Speaker 2:And you get these blank stares like what are you talking about? All right, but yet you go on Etsy and you look them up and they claim to be rituals, but when you read through it is well, you go take a bath, you know, for money or whatever, or you going to go cast circles and all this other stuff. Right. That's for rituals. That's again to celebrate and to be in the presence of the gods.
Speaker 1:Right, not the cast spells.
Speaker 2:Not the cast spells. I mean, you just did your beltane ritual.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Which you are very proud of.
Speaker 1:Yes, they came together very well.
Speaker 2:You know again, the whole idea of this was to be passing on wisdom to the next stage.
Speaker 1:Right And I used foothorque runes.
Speaker 2:Right And we only picked so many of them. Right. Represent wisdom Right To give people a glimpse into the wisdom they may need to learn. Funny enough, everybody who grabbed one seat it seemed to be almost like they're a complete opposite of what they were trying to do. Right Yeah. I don't know how to explain that.
Speaker 1:Well, for instance probably one of the one of the better examples one person drew one that dealt with more motherhood and nurturing, and and she had always had somewhat of an issue with being a nurturing person, because she doesn't come from that type of background, she's And why is this important? But it's important because, as a priestess, she's responsible for the nurturing.
Speaker 2:But in the terms of wisdom, the best way to learn wisdom is through strife.
Speaker 1:True, yes.
Speaker 2:Through the darkness.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And it's the reason why, you know, most of us believe that you have to go through darkness before you can enjoy the light. Right, because you have to gain in wisdom.
Speaker 1:Right, you have to gain in appreciation. And what was it I said last night? Knowledge comes from study, wisdom comes from struggle.
Speaker 2:Right, and I've seen a lot of people don't seem to understand these things. These are the things that we are supposed to be promoting in our, in our rituals, in our religion, right? Not this magic stuff. All right, i mean, don't get me wrong, the magic school is nice and it's great to have that. Have access to it, sure it is.
Speaker 2:All right, You know, and yes, when I was younger, just like everybody else, it was a shiny new toy, Right? Oh, look, look. And then you become a third degree and you start to realize the joke from Aladdin where Jeannie says there goes ooh great cosmic power, Itty bitty living space. Right, Because again, once you're able to literally start to see the fabric of fate and how things are posted, you know how things, how the gods want things to unfold, or whatever you start going.
Speaker 2:Maybe I should mess with that as much as I think I should. Right, you know, and again, those people without the wisdom will sit there and just go ahead and trial it on the end. You know there's a difference between truck and the end, and all happy and go lucky. Another one with a little interpretation, right?
Speaker 1:You know it's kind of like it's. It's one thing to go through the river with, you know, a little tiny sailboat. It's another thing to go through the river in a giant you know, 17 cell ship.
Speaker 2:Even if my big boat won't sink right. I'll still be able to go down the damn river. I'll just walk. I forgot what the question was.
Speaker 1:It was this whole idea that, instead of doing rituals, it's like everybody's trying to sell you something or trying to promote a spell or something Aside from.
Speaker 2:And if you notice these ritual, these quote unquote rituals, that you can get all the needs and stuff can actually be bought at the exact same store. Oh, and this nice little spell box. Right. Funny how that is, but nobody's getting conned here, right? Even though they were required to take them all down because some people were calling them spells and they weren't working Right. Because, again. We still have people. I don't know how to explain that.
Speaker 1:Well, my question is is how is that? because you said you were talking to potential students, people who are interested in classes, and they were talking about going somewhere and instead of ritual, they were trying to be sold something. I've never heard of that before. What?
Speaker 2:Well, i mean we quit. We quit going to these things a long time ago. What's your what these people are talking about?
Speaker 1:Oh, they're.
Speaker 2:Oh, ok, they're going to these quote unquote wicking festivals or wicking religious or or local temples of Wicker. And what? when they get there, all the all everybody's doing is like sitting around the living room, chit-chatting, gossiping. No spiritual talk, nothing, no ritual, no prep or anything. And Oh, here, need some herbs, need this. I do this here. Here's all this soap I made mmm. I'm bringing you know okay stuff for everybody else that they paid for last time we showed up okay.
Speaker 2:And then that's all that seems to happen. There's never any ritual. They just stop after that and I'll go home because they've all traded their Goods and went home for the day Because they're there to sell stuff. Right, well, i mean, if you're going to a festival, you should expect that to happen if I'm going to a festival, they normally have vendors set up and I'm right out to those vendors right at my, there's a different Again.
Speaker 2:You should expect that well, think about it like this. Think about showing up to one of our rituals and Instead of us having an actual rituals, we got up there and started to praise the of this incense or that incense that you can buy at a nice, cheap price, right? Instead of?
Speaker 1:like oh, by the way, i make this incense. Do you like that? Yeah, i can get that for you for a good price. I.
Speaker 2:Have never actually had to pay besides supplies For anything from Lady Keegan. Right you're a member of temple. I Don't want people to think we're like mistreating her. Oh.
Speaker 1:No, we've offered to pay her many times for. Do you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:No, i mean normally in covens. When you got people that do that, have businesses or whatever You're normally going to inside the temple, you're normally going to get it at cost. Right cheaper and even then it's not. Hey, you know, i'm not probably gonna allow somebody that's showing up the ritual Just to keep on trying to promote their bit. Everybody knows you're doing it. They can come to you right.
Speaker 2:That's all you need to say, and then to me It's kind of like what we talk about, like with our titles and stuff. I don't need to do it right. Yeah, you know, and I'm not gonna like have a hissy fit because somebody outside our tradition doesn't refer to me as Lord. Right.
Speaker 2:All right, it's just not gonna happen. I'm probably even wouldn't be doing it inside, but I'm sure there would be like 12 people to rank one. Right you know, especially if it's the lady night, you you address her properly. I Think of this is the same way with businesses inside of temple right Mention it one and that's it.
Speaker 2:If you need something and you're talking to somebody you don't know, that person will probably turn around to go. Well, you know what. You go over there and see Lord, such as such, they'll fix you up later after ritual and even then, that's a private conversation. You're not sitting there in a circle, just.
Speaker 1:Right Spelling out Oh hey, I do this, this and this and this and I brought these herbs with me and I'm having a sale and Wait, here's my price list.
Speaker 2:I came for ritual, not a damn infomercial. If people would quit going to these things, going no, i'm done and walk away. I mean, if this is what you want to go for, but it's not, i'm here for a religious and spiritual right.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's one thing to sit down and do some networking right, That's cool, that's fine If that's what you want to do. But don't call it a ritual, if if this is your primary goal right. Just don't do it Just don't do it. Just have, just have, hey, where people are gonna come hang out. We're just gonna chit chat, we're gonna hang out. You know, talk about this, talk about that, right, whatever I.
Speaker 2:I would not have a problem in temple Outside of full moons and sabbots if they wanted to pick. If people wanted to pick a day and go Hey, we just I want to get together and share our crafts and stuff with each other, right? Hey, great. Hey look, i tell you what y'all have fun with that. I'm gonna be sitting here on my couch playing my I mean cuz again. I'm still back to. I know you do this and I can call you up. It's not like people that do businesses in our temple walk up to us going, hey, do you need some herbs or anything? It's normally the other way around.
Speaker 1:Absolutely Yes.
Speaker 2:It's normally we tell our students or whatever No, you need to approach them going here. This is what I'm looking for, and I was told you were the best person to help me track it down right. End of subject. It still should not be called a ritual.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:So it's more important for you to make money to actually celebrate your religion. So why are these people still even telling themselves witches when they're not doing the religion?
Speaker 1:No, i agree. I mean, i don't think you can, i really don't know, You're just a merchant Right, i mean.
Speaker 2:You're a merchant taking advantage of a religion. I'm sorry this would be. This is like me going to Catholic mass and sitting there selling off Yu-Gi-Oh cards, or something. Right. I mean, or necklaces with supposedly pieces of wood of the cross or something. Right, i mean, but you still want to say this is the same thing.
Speaker 1:Oh, you need a rosary here. I have 20. I have them with 20,. Yeah, open up your code. Somebody's been watching Bonnie Miller. Open up your code. On one side. I have rosaries over here. I have holy water over here on the other coat You need some incense here. I got this pocket right here.
Speaker 2:I mean, but honestly, what could be the mindset of these people?
Speaker 1:I don't, it's money. Money, I just I mean, it could be catering to a specific audience, and that's fine and dandy, but again, don't call it. don't call your thing a ritual If all you're going to do is pedal your goods.
Speaker 2:Right, if this is all y'all will wind up doing and you're not actually doing ritual, then why?
Speaker 1:If you're just casting spells, don't call it a ritual.
Speaker 2:Now here's how this goes for us, and other people could do it different ways. Right, but we normally do ritual around seven o'clock.
Speaker 1:Yeah, roughly Yeah.
Speaker 2:Roughly All right And we tell most people okay, if you're coming to ritual, you need to show up at least a minimum of 15 minutes early. All right, cause that last 15 minutes is to, if you're wearing robes, to change out to a woman, all this other stuff, and get right, sit down, meditate And then we go in there and set up for ritual. We alter the whole nine yards and go in, perform ritual. Then come out. Now again, if it's a grand Sabbath, we're going to have a feast and sit, have some drinks and gossip and talk and joke around.
Speaker 2:Which we did which we did, which was fun. It's nice being around people and making references to stuff we used to do and have done, and probably will do. probably will do again, even though some people's you know when you, when you cook a succulent pig and their wall comes covered in it right, Hey, you know it's a little bit of pig grease. You know your dogs will like visually, like the pain off.
Speaker 1:Right, you might have to repaint afterwards. Hey, what's a little pain.
Speaker 2:These were fun, these are fun, or memories. Then Hey, yeah, when the ritual and I look at all this crap I bought. Right. And again we're still back to. As a religion, we, as a religious community in which we are, everybody seems to be more focused on material possessions than their actual spirituality. Right Claiming it to be spirituality when all it is is just greed. Right A feat.
Speaker 1:Yeah, i mean, we're all materialistic to a point. It's, i think, like with you and I, we understand, we don't need anything.
Speaker 2:No, Well what?
Speaker 1:we for our spirituality.
Speaker 2:No, we don't All our need. I mean we could pretty much take care of our needs. Right, we have food, we have shelter. Right, we have heat, we have cold, the whole nine yards. So what else do we need? I mean we're not talking about poverty, but, right, we're not living in some, you know, six room mansion.
Speaker 1:I wish No.
Speaker 2:Actually I don't. I don't, i have to clean it.
Speaker 1:I was going to say, actually I don't, because I've we used to clean houses. I've cleaned some pretty big houses.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, just one word No, no, no, no. So are you with me on this? I don't, i don't.
Speaker 1:I don't, i don't, i am.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I don't see one in the world. The rest of the community isn't up in arms about this.
Speaker 1:Well, because I think it's not as prevalent as what some people may think it is, but it does happen. And since it does, since it's not a very prevalent thing, I could.
Speaker 2:I could be wrong, i don't know. I I from the way I've been hearing it from multiple people, it's That it is pretty prevalent, it's becoming more and more prevalent. In fact, it seems to have been coming worse since COVID.
Speaker 1:Oh, when I see that kind of makes sense though, because you know, we all kind of got secluded from each other.
Speaker 2:Right. So I had to come up with something, so it's sell this and then, to make it even worse, now you have all this financial stuff problems that we have in the United States now with inflation and all this other stuff.
Speaker 1:The first thing people get rid of are the frills right, the frills, the luxuries, the luxuries and stuff like that. Extras right.
Speaker 2:So sitting there buying crystals and incense, that nozom and oils and all this other crap that you really don't need is going to start dropping down. I would be surprised, within the next couple of years, seeing a lot of these metaphysics shops shutting down which I think ultimately would be a shame. It would be a shame, but I can see it happening, though they'll be one of the first victims.
Speaker 1:I think it's either that or the one that. Well, it may be a slow process. It's like they may shut down their storefronts but keep an online presence right still selling stuff, but then eventually Having to Having to just close the doors again, having the same problems as any other mom and pop stores right exactly that we have nowadays, and when inflation goes up, these mom and pop stores go out of business, which is the lifeblood of America right, but hey no
Speaker 1:less more money. I was going to say, unless they're well, we're not going to go there. Well, there's a little metaphysical store right up the road from us and this guy he's got the right idea. He owns the building, so he's not paying a lease, he's not paying any of that money. The only thing he's got is property tax Right so his overhead is kind of low. He searches out and funds suppliers who give him the best prices, right? So he's actually selling stuff less, for less money than most of the other stores.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but how much of that stuff is coming from China? I don't know You know, because I'm sort of getting to the point and that again I'll admit I could be wrong but, I would rather see this stuff made in America.
Speaker 1:Oh, i would too Well, i would rather it see well if it's not made in America. I would rather it see made anywhere else other than China.
Speaker 2:Let me rephrase that These people that are selling at these Wiccan stores. you'll need to start going and seeing if you can sell at these stores. Right. And supply the stores and let people go there.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 2:That would be my ultimate goal.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:No no, no, this is Temple. If you want to sell this stuff, there's a store down here and there's a store up here and go talk to them and see if they. I think those stores need to carry local people's Crafts.
Speaker 1:Absolutely This. This one right up the road from us he does a. He has a consignment section where local crafts, people from other covens can make incense and stuff. They make incense, they make soaps, they make bath bombs, they I mean, it's all local stuff.
Speaker 2:Right. This helps our local economy, this helps us as a community. Yes, so I mean don't get me wrong, i'm not all against this. I'm against it when you're supposed to be doing ritual. You're there to do a full moon, you're there to do an aspart or a Sabbath. That's what we need to be doing.
Speaker 1:Don't get us wrong. There are times during conversation when something might come up and somebody be like you know what I do, stuff like that. I can help you.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's different Again that's just general conversation.
Speaker 1:That's something that's not purposely going to sell your stuff.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's like me having a background in electronics and somebody looking at me at Temple going well, my computer just died. Right. Can you take a look at it, sure? Right. This, this to me, and I'm not charging you for anything your Temple person, you know your member of. Temple. I'm going to look at it, you know. But on the other hand, it doesn't mean I'm going to do every.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:You know, all 13 people start coming at you at one time. That's a difference.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:I got that kind of time, y'all. I got that kind of patience.
Speaker 2:I really don't have all my tools to do the laptops. You really need to take them. I can do desktops at home.
Speaker 1:Right, just don't expect a quick turn around, just saying, just saying.
Speaker 2:I mean this. I don't have a problem with. No, you know that's like. You know, we have mechanic, we had mechanics in our temple and hey look, you know, next week or whenever you got time, can you come take a look at the car. Okay, right, why not? This I don't have a problem with. What I have a problem is when you're sitting there and you are literally going doing it an ad or literally pushing your products on everybody. Right, that's what I have a problem with.
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