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Understanding the Cosmic Web: A Look at Reality, Spells, and Society
Wouldn't you love to grasp the interplay between the physical and spiritual realms, and leverage that understanding in your daily life? That's precisely what we unpack in this episode, using the enchanting concept of 'As Above So Below' as our guiding principle. We demystify how energy, held together through thought, influences both our world and the astral plane, creating a ripple effect across all realms of existence. Get ready to have your understanding of reality broadened as we metaphorically unbox the mechanics of spell casting and the profound implications of your actions in this world and beyond.
In a world where reality is often distorted, wouldn't it be enlightening to dissect the importance of words in shaping perceptions and defining our reality? We explore the delicate balance between the physical and spiritual, and how deity, world, and we are all interconnected. You'll learn why even the simplest actions can create seismic shifts in our reality and how they reflect our relationship with deity. Prepare for a thoughtful evaluation of societal trends, like the redefinition of words and the implications of repeating the same actions. We end by reflecting on the concept of money as a physical representation of resources and the domino effect it has on our decisions and the world at large. It's a journey that will leave you contemplating the mysteries of existence.
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Welcome to Peg and Coffee Talk. Here are your hosts, azwan and Lord Knight. Today's topic is As Above So Below.
Speaker 2:Okay, we talk about this a lot, don't we?
Speaker 1:We really do. We probably should expand a little bit on it.
Speaker 2:Okay, this refers to the idea and the concept that we use to cast spells, where we're basically gathering up our energies on the astral planes, on the spiritual planes, and channeling it to this plane of existence. Okay, alright, reason being on these spiritual planes, time and space does not exist. We can gather energy from anywhere in the universe instantaneously.
Speaker 1:Absolutely yeah.
Speaker 2:Now, with that said and I did see a YouTube where they were sort of talking about this we can physically create an item on the astral plane. It does not translate to this world. What Everything on the astral plane and stuff like that are held together through thought and energy. As soon as you quit thinking about it, the energy construct disappears and falls back to where it is, because it never really existed to begin with.
Speaker 2:It's energy mimicking this, true, yeah, alright, give you a better explanation. Alright, go and geek. When you double click an icon on your computer, you see it as a double click and a picture and all this other stuff. What's happening inside is, when you double click, it puts a line of code into the input and hits enter. Back in the day when we all had to use DOLFs. No, yeah, Remember all them command lines that we used to have to memorize Directory changes and all this, and lines and how to do the tree and delete and clear out the screen, all those command lines. Right, we don't have to do no more. We do it through double clicking, which I'm so thankful for. Again, i know a lot of people are going to be like yes, there were lines of code we had to memorize to be able to operate a computer. If you knew how bad that was for dyslexic, trust me, it took a long time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you did it better than I did, so I struggled like hell with that shit.
Speaker 2:Again, this is how the Azure works. You might see an image, but it's not really. If you create an image or a crystal out on the Azure plane While you're thinking about it and you're using it, it works and behaves like a crystal. As soon as you quit thinking about it, it's just going to dissolve back into the energy of which it came from. You cannot transition it to this world. Right Makes sense. We can transfer the energies, though, but as above, so below also tells us the opposite is true. If we do something here, it affects the higher planes of existence.
Speaker 2:Just like if we cast a spell or do stuff on these higher planes of existence, it will eventually affect here. So again, when we're doing things like casting circle yes, we honestly believe we're casting one here and we're casting one on the spiritual plane at the same time, then merging these two together to create a pocket dimension where both can exist simultaneously to a certain extent. This does not mean physical things happening, we're just talking about energies here, right?
Speaker 1:It's energy manipulation.
Speaker 2:Exactly. That's all this is. But again, the concept is, what we do here does affect all these other planes of existence. This is where in the world we start seeing a lot of these concepts, where people are trying to do the whole karma or threefold laws and stuff like this.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:All right, because, again, the relationship between these two planes of existence is interlinked If something's done on one plane of existence, all the other planes have to exist. You remember the oh God, what were they called? They were wooden slats with strips of ribbon on them, and if you fold them they would sit there and go back and forth, teeter, all the way down.
Speaker 1:What were those things?
Speaker 2:You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, All right Again this is a good demonstration of how, in the world, we're going to be able to do this. This is a demonstration of how, in the world, we believe these upper planes affect one another while staying separate, that the energy in one spot knocks something else off, which then has to be compensated in the other planes of existence accordingly, to keep everything in balance.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I was going to kind of lead into was most people can see how something we do here can affect the higher planes of existence. But how does something affect when you do something in the higher planes of existence, on the astral plane? How can that affect the physical realm that we're in?
Speaker 2:It works like trying to use a side to side buffer.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right.
Speaker 2:Again, if you're trained properly to use a side to side, you can hold that buffer in one spot for as long as you want. If you slightly push down on the handle, it will go to the left. If you've slightly pull up, it will go to the right. A slight movement at your waist with this handle translates into feet down below.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Do you still want to say?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Is the whole entire leverage that you learned in elementary school how, in the world, with a long enough lever, you can pick up anything Right. This is what in the world this concept is talking about Us changing, or trying to figure out where to change those tilting points to be able to create the desire outcome we want on a particular plane of existence. Yes. If you do something on a high enough plane, yes, by the time it gets down here it can be so amplified that it actually makes a difference.
Speaker 1:Right. So basically, what you're saying is it doesn't matter where you're creating this energy flow. It's going to affect everything, either above it or below it.
Speaker 2:Well, it has to. This is what in the world, this theory tells us is. Even out on the astral plane, it will affect the energies of the plane above it and below it, because, again, there has to be a balancing. If we're changing something in the middle, everything else has to balance back out to stay coordinated and working correctly. Right I don't know how to put that. They got to stay in a somewhat of a balance with one another.
Speaker 2:So this is what we're talking about, is that it tells us, as we do things on these higher planes of existence, it affects this and vice versa. When we cast a circle here, it does affect the higher planes of existence. This is how we're doing this, because there are some mysteries involved in there, but this is the basic idea of this concept. Is that whole relationship between us and deity, us in the world? These all seem to keep on playing out on the same things. We have to work together. We have to think of this thing as teeter, totters and stuff like this, so we understand how in the world all this works together. We're not isolated. You're not an island on your own Right. Island's in the stream, okay don't like partner.
Speaker 2:Wouldn't that be flights in the stream? Yeah, actually, we're so going to hell one day. That's what we have to remember The stuff that we do and stuff like that. Yes, it affects the world around us, what we say and what we do. While some people might sit here and listen to me and get mad, that might inspire them to come up with ideas and stuff to trump mine, it's still better than nothing, it's better than who gives a crap?
Speaker 1:Right, but the underlying theme here is that, again, it doesn't matter what you do or where you do it, you're still affecting everything around it, right Below it, on the same plane of existence.
Speaker 2:You're affecting everything, because you got to remember, when we think of our world right, we just think of literally our world what in the world we're seeing and doing right now? Right, there are other things lapped on top of our world.
Speaker 2:Surround and all this other stuff. They're not separate from us. They are part of this world. We might not be able to physically cross over into these other realms, but they are existed and we do have access to them. We just cannot do it necessarily in our physical bodies Makes sense to me. It's the reason all guys are still 20 something years old in our heads, even though we're 60 something Right Right.
Speaker 1:We think oh, we can still do that. Nobody says no, it can't. No, you can't.
Speaker 2:Remember that layup shot you used to be really good at?
Speaker 1:You can't do that, no more.
Speaker 2:And God forbid, don't slide in the home. It will be painful for weeks.
Speaker 1:So let's discuss construct versus reality.
Speaker 2:All right, we have reality. Let's think of reality as energy that's been crystallized.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Lack of better words. All right, e equals MZ square explains how we get energy out of matter and how they're related. There are certain things that we talk about in this world. There are certain words that we use and they are reality. So if I sit here and say tree, it's any large plant that grows quite tall. Right, all right, cause I'm not sure what they classify bush. I know, there's a difference in the height and the width and all this other stuff, all right, but again, these actually describe certain objects, right? Right.
Speaker 1:Unlike the or is or it. When was the last?
Speaker 2:time you found a V laying around the house.
Speaker 1:And that's the as in THE.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, no, you can't.
Speaker 2:But you sort of saying so there are certain words in our language that are constructs, and then there's other words that we use. That we use because it's what we refer to as a physical item here. Okay, you with me, so far.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so those are the reality.
Speaker 2:Those are the realities, all right. And then, unfortunately, we're living in an age where people are trying to change the definition of these words that we use for reality. I just saw John Hopkins This says a lesbian is a non male who likes other non males.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Well, magnets are non male and they're attracted to one another, Right, I mean? I mean, when we talk about the word woman, yes, the definition is an adult female human. The reason it's so blunt and straightforward is it's an actual reality word. We're using it to describe this state of being.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:And for some reason, we're now trying to live in a society where they're trying to say no, this is a construct like the Well, i was gonna say.
Speaker 1:I was gonna say there are gonna be those people who argue well, we've been changing the definition of words for centuries, for millennia.
Speaker 2:Again, this is the whole entire notion of of rose by any other name is still just a sweet.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:At the end of the day, a female human has certain characteristics and certain behaviors. Blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:That's it. That's what a woman is, and again, well, so it doesn't matter what you call it Exactly. There's a reason. We refer to them as some people, as trans women. They weren't born women, but we perceive them now as Right, or they look like or behave in such a fashion. We refer to them as women. I believe there are reasons why we have to use those distinctions in society, because if we don't, people are really going to get confused. Alright, and the more we muddle the reality words with these concepts what's brown, what's blue? What's anything.
Speaker 2:I mean, at some point we'll get to the point where communication is just non-existent, Because there's no way to articulate what it is that you're talking about. If we send some of these words too far over into this, I don't know what you would call it, this ethereal world of words.
Speaker 1:I think that's probably a good way to put it.
Speaker 2:You don't find a happy just laying around the house.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Not unless somebody's named happy.
Speaker 1:True, like the dwarf Right, one of the seven dwarfs.
Speaker 2:So why are we suddenly having this problem? Why are we suddenly having a problem understanding that of reality? What's so wrong about that?
Speaker 1:You know, i don't know, i don't know how it happened. I really don't.
Speaker 2:Have we broke people? Probably. I'll admit And I've said it in a different podcast We really didn't talk about it. We did it. It takes a witch to make a witch And basically I said some of this shits our fault because we allowed knowledge to get out without somebody there to teach the concept behind of it. Right, and somebody made a smartass remark about that. This happened in the 60s What I'm talking about When we started to find the magic mushrooms, the LSD and all this other stuff. These were drugs and stuff that used to be that we used in religious context.
Speaker 2:Only there And then we allowed it out to the general populace, thinking okay, we're going to do a good thing with the scientists and stuff and help people. Then it got losed onto the population And now you have people touching realms and stuff they're not trained or ready for yet, and then you suddenly get this whole entire thing of, ooh, reality is really flexible. Well, yes, And one of the spirit realms.
Speaker 1:Not in this one Right, not in this room.
Speaker 2:Again, you could pray all you want. Eventually you're not going to be able to walk through a wall. All right, you're not suddenly going to snap your fingers in a bunch of you know candles. Light up, you know, unless you've done some technical shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but how cool would that be? It would be cool.
Speaker 2:Not saying it would, and especially when you're trying to figure out how much light you get with a hundred candles, right?
Speaker 1:But again, it's not part of our objective reality.
Speaker 2:All right. As people of craft, we have to accept objective reality. It exists. We have to function with it and around it. There's nothing, nothing we can do at the end of the day. And muddling words, getting trying to make definitions more ethereal is destroying language and communication. Thought is starting to degrade because you have nothing concrete to stand upon.
Speaker 1:Well, and then to you know, i think back to those folks that say well, you know, we've been changing the definition of words for millennia, not on the scale that it's happening now. Again, i use the word. That's what's making everything so muddled and so confused and people don't know what's what anymore.
Speaker 2:I use the example of the word cool Because, again, we were raised in that generation that this was the word I mean at the end of it. I think if we would have said cool one more time to our parents, or something like that, I would probably have a big handprint on the back of my head for all eternity.
Speaker 2:But it was an addition to cool still mean. oh no, this is still cold, It's still kept, as some. what they're doing now is they're getting rid of the original definition for this other definition. Right There becomes the problem.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they've been changing, quote unquote, changing definitions for a long time, but not to the extent that it's happening now.
Speaker 2:Well, and not in the timeframes in which we are talking about Right, All right Again. This used to happen over generations.
Speaker 1:All right. Now it's happening like within one year, one year's time.
Speaker 2:It could change the very next freaking day Right, which makes it even worse.
Speaker 1:It does. It makes it incredibly difficult to understand what people are talking about.
Speaker 2:So there is this physical world. Yes, we can affect it to a certain extent. We can affect the odds. in this world, you're never going to cast a spell where a money just mysteriously appears out of nowhere.
Speaker 1:No All right.
Speaker 2:You're never going to cast a spell to where in the world your wallet's never empty without putting something in there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a whole given take. I mean you got to do the work.
Speaker 2:Well, this also brings us to this whole, entire concept of and you're going to hate me later for this spells don't fix problems.
Speaker 2:No, they don't. Spells are nothing more than a way to gain resources. Give you my thoughts of why this is because the original spells, the spells we originally heard about, were that that one shaman or whatever in the clan would wrap themselves up in a dear pelt Or whatever animal they were hunting for at that time to help divine where to go. It didn't do the kill, it didn't get you there. It told you where to go. It told you where the resource was so you could get the resource and bring it back Right.
Speaker 2:This is how all spells really work, all right. So let's say you, you cast a spell to get a race right, but you don't do anything to hang on to it. You're not actually fixing anything, because most people who get races within three months are back to complain about not having enough money because they're already starting to use that money in their day to day life. Right, but before the race they were doing just fine. Now, if they would have calculated the difference of what I got paid before And after and then took that differences and put it into the savings account, so they don't say they never get used to using it. You start to gain more and more resources.
Speaker 2:Right And I'm not giving out financial advice? No, that fixes the problem. Learning how to do these things? No, you know spells might not help your diabetes, but you know what We're doing research, and keeping up and doing what you're supposed to do. Right Changing your diet, taking your medications changing your diet, trying different ways of doing things to find out what works best for you. No spells going to do that for you.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:But yeah, you know, we go out there and again, is who? who spell this? do a spell for that, spell this? spell that? Everything's up for debate, everything's up for change, everything's up, except for individuals. Why should I change my behaviors? You know what is that? the definition of insanity?
Speaker 1:Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different outcome.
Speaker 2:Just saying Right, not judging there much You know never. I mean there are concrete things, spells and stuff we do will never happen. The chances of me waking up in Ireland tomorrow is slim to none. Does it mean I can't sit there and meditate and go out onto the actual and travel there? No, It's just I won't be able to physically interact with it as if I was there physically.
Speaker 1:Right, And again, if you're going to wake up, go to bed and wake up in Ireland. you still got to do something. Right you gotta buy the plane ticket, you gotta go gotta go. You can fall asleep on the plane. Guess what? you'll wake up in Ireland. But the spelling gonna get you there.
Speaker 2:Now, the spell that you cast to get the raise, where you took the money and bank the raise to save up for the plane ticket Right, did help. There you go, because you were gathering up the resources needed to do that a means to an end.
Speaker 1:That's not.
Speaker 2:It's not a solution. It's not a fix.
Speaker 1:No whatsoever.
Speaker 2:So If we keep muddling this stuff, at what point is Communication? is thought itself no longer viable?
Speaker 1:You know, I don't know, at the rate it's going, it's not gonna take long.
Speaker 2:How much more stupid Does society need to make us?
Speaker 1:Mmm, that's a good question.
Speaker 2:People don't remember what in the world they do and don't remember half the stuff that they do because they have a cell phone on them. It's easy to Google it, right. I'd be the first to admit I can't remember phone numbers anymore.
Speaker 1:No, now, growing up I could. I could recite off 20 different phone numbers and tell you who they were for.
Speaker 2:I Used to memorize the pattern where you moved across the keyboard to dial numbers.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow, okay.
Speaker 2:So that way you know, you set your fingers in one way. I remember the pattern. That's how I Memorize numbers. I would that way, i would automatically do it, just not even thinking about right Don't get me wrong your number, the home number, parents number, stuff. I did that too if it was Right, you know, if it's just a store down the road, i'd have to look that up all the time.
Speaker 1:Well, now, that was. That was on the push button phones. Yes but on the rotary phones You couldn't do that.
Speaker 2:You couldn't do that.
Speaker 1:Kids. Look up rotary phone, you'll find out what we're talking about.
Speaker 2:What the hell they talking. Yeah, we're stuff that they had back when they were still like running around on dinosaurs dinosaur age.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we just dated, ourselves.
Speaker 2:Carbondated. Hey, hey, if I didn't know, we're old.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but yeah, no, it's. It makes perfect sense that If you keep muddling up the information and the words that are used to relay that information, where do we go from there?
Speaker 2:Well, again, don't misunderstand me. We have words in our language and stuff like that that are concepts.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm that are out now, concepts. There's just no way, all right, we sit here and say the word Adam, you know, as a unit of this, electron protons, right, we're not 100% sure. It's just a concept, even though it describes an actual physical thing we think exists. We've never been able to see down that small right. So again, it's still sort of a concept, but sort of reality. That could change. But that's as we learn more, not just because, well, i think it looks better that way, right, you know. But yes, there are certain things in our lives and that we do and think about money. Again, money is a concept, right, technically it just represents resources.
Speaker 1:Right, but it's it. That's a concept that we can physically see.
Speaker 2:Right, because it's easier for me to carry cash around instead of me going to go. Okay, i need to go down here to the farm and I need to give them, you know so many bells of food for this many hogs. Right, money just stops that I can sell the food, get the money, take the same money. Go get the hog.
Speaker 2:Right all it's doing is keeping me from having to trap all this food down to this. So, technically, we're using a physical means to hold an idea or a concept to make it easier for us. So, yeah, these people, they go. Well, you know, money's not real. We just made it up about. Yeah, we did, but it represents a real world value. Yes, all right, at the end of the day, you can only get so much for a dollar. Yeah, pretty much, you know, regardless it and again, this is this, this idea of a, you have to be willing to sell said item for a dollar And I have to be willing to buy it for a dollar In order for me to get that dollar.
Speaker 1:Yes, for me to get that item.
Speaker 2:It's only worth that much If you can find someone willing to pay that much, right? So I don't know if we actually answered any questions, but hopefully we brought up a whole lot more, hopefully.
Speaker 1:Is that a? we just confused the hell out of a lot of people and ourselves.
Speaker 2:You know, hey, we might finally. We might finally actually own up to that comment. People live on youtube every so often. I listen to this and I felt dumber afterwards.
Speaker 1:Yep, this might be the one episode. That might be the one episode. Thanks for listening. Join us next week for another episode. Peg and coffee talk is brought to you by life temple and seminary. Please visit us at life temple seminary org for more information, as well as the links to our social media facebook, discord, twitter, youtube and reddit. End of our day, so walk with me till morning.
