Pagan Coffee Talk
We will discuss topics related to the Pagan community. All views are from a traditionalist's point of view. The conversations are unscripted (no preparations have been made ahead of time). A special thanks to Darkest Era for the use of their songs: Intro- The Morrigan, Exit - Poem to the Gael. Check them out at http://darkestera.net/.
Pagan Coffee Talk
Cult of Personality
Join us as we begin our discussion on not all old things are decrepit and not all new things are better. All generations have questioned the older ways and viewpoints. However, it should be noted that not all of the old ways and viewpoints are irrelevant. Do we get rid of older ways simply because they are older? We delve into the idea that by knowing and understanding the old ways, we can improve the future.
We continue our discussion by going into the world of cults. We define what a cult is before trying to answer the questions: Is Wicca a cult? Can it potentially be a cult?
We address some concerns people have about cults as well as giving some ideas of what to look out for. We also discuss could witches be dangerous where cults are concerned.
We hope this will be an enlightening discussion and that it will raise awareness.
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Welcome to Peg and Coffee Talk. Here are your hosts, Oswin and Lord Knight. Let's talk about replacing things. This whole idea that old is bad.
Speaker 2:New isn't always better.
Speaker 1:Alright, so old isn't always decrepit.
Speaker 2:Well, old isn't always bad. I mean again I think we've spoken before that we sort of believe experience is a quite wise thing to do.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:So why I would not sit here and tell someone okay, on a daily basis, you need to go down to the river and wash your clothes on a rock, Right? What I would tell somebody is get a garment, go down there and at least wash one once in your life.
Speaker 1:That way at least you know what it is.
Speaker 2:Yes, at least you know what it's like.
Speaker 1:You've had that experience.
Speaker 2:You've had that experience, you would understand what it would be like for someone out in the weirdness to do that. Alright, I mean it's one thing to sit there and talk about stuff and it's another thing to actually do Right. Alright, in doing you're going to find mistakes and stuff like that. You can be taught how to do something under perfect conditions and then be told literally you're going to have to do this another five or six years before you become professional. The reason is that you have to encounter all the ways it's going to go wrong, because the guy teaching you might not be able to remember all those thousands of the way it went wrong for them.
Speaker 1:You, with me Well, and even then you may not experience the same problems as what that person did.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:Considering the infinite amount of ways things can go wrong.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I mean, even if it's improbable, it could happen.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Alright, there is a difference between impossible and improbable. Improbable means it could happen. There's just a very little likelihood.
Speaker 1:Yeah it's a very slim chance.
Speaker 2:That will ever happen. There is a difference between knowing something and understanding. Knowing you can use it. Understanding you can manipulate it to your advantage, right? This is one of the things I think is primal to witchcraft. We want to understand. Hence reason why in the world, all the sciences were born from craft. Right, we want to know, we want to understand, we want to know how in the world, the world works. We believe by knowing this we do become closer to the source, to God. But we have to understand these things because you have to deal with a sense of wisdom, because there's a lot of things out there we could hurt ourselves really bad.
Speaker 1:Right, but how do you gain that wisdom? You gain it through mistakes. You gain it through knowledge.
Speaker 2:We also gain it through a little ethics and morals. There too, there's a reason, you know, we ask doctors to take that oath. Well, sure, yeah, all right. We scientists, I believe, should do the same thing. If they don't, they should do it. You know, ethically and morally All right, because again we have a problem in our society. Now we're doing because we can, instead of asking the question if we should. Right, you with me? Yeah, so caution would be the better part there. This comes from that old world, things they did back in the old days. Okay, let him paint, right?
Speaker 1:Letting go.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry they didn't know this, I mean they used to do. The certain cultures would try to drink mercury.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:All right, we know these things to be harmful now, but back then, hey, there was reason and science behind there and we always think, oh well, that's just so old fashioned and we would never do that. Yes, we would. If history shows anything, if we will fool ourselves into one thing, we will do it again.
Speaker 1:But if that's the case, then is there really any need for that whole ethics thing. I mean, therefore, it's just just because it's old doesn't mean it's not good, it's not going to come back around, doesn't mean we're not going to do it again.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean which?
Speaker 1:means we didn't really learn from past mistakes.
Speaker 2:But again, you also have to remember one of our ethics is keep your word, and if you took an oath, you have to keep that out, right? Do you see what I'm? Saying that's where that ethic is. If you, if you said you would not harm anybody or do anything that would harm, and you're sitting there going. Well, let's see how bad we can make this.
Speaker 1:True.
Speaker 2:Well, you're harming people. You took an oath not to.
Speaker 1:Or you know, if you go back to the whole lead paint thing, right, but yet you're going to paint your house with lead based paint.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, it was like the guy. It's like the guy that invented dynamite. It was not invented as a weapon, it was invented to help minors, right. That was turned into a weapon here and then they went around and called him the merchant death for years. At no time did this guy stop and say well, should I?
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, anything destructive can potentially be used as a weapon, so can you really go by that?
Speaker 2:The regret that the people that make these weapons, who make these discoveries, Okay, but then we. I mean because if you read the quotes from the guy who helped create the atom bomb what was that he said you know I have become the destroyer of worlds. The quote is actually very chilling. Fact check.
Speaker 1:So that was J Robert Oppenheimer and some of his quotes go. The atomic bomb made the prospect of future war unendurable. It has led us up to those last few steps to the mountain pass, and beyond there is a different country. Another quote says I hope they cannot see the limitless potential living inside of me to murder everything. I hope they cannot see. I am the great destroyer. Now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds, father of the atomic bomb. After witnessing the first test.
Speaker 2:I mean, think about it, think about the regret that these people but they weren't starting out, they weren't trying to hurt anyone when they started.
Speaker 1:Right. But I don't understand is how can you create something like that and not think Right?
Speaker 2:but then, on the other hand, it never really starts out that way, just like the gray goo theory that eventually we're going to make nanites that are just going to consume and replicate.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:To where it takes over the whole entire world and destroys everything. The idea behind nanites and stuff like that and their potential is really good for medicine and our health and repairing stuff in very tight areas without actually harming other people.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Do the benefits outweigh the potential harm?
Speaker 1:Well, now that I could see. But I mean, when you're creating a bomb, how can you not see the potential for that? And how could you not just stop and say, okay, no, I can't do this because of the destructive potential? You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1:You're creating a bomb of massive proportions.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but even by the time you got to that point you figured out what in the world you're doing. You know you're working with other people.
Speaker 1:You normally would have to handle it too.
Speaker 2:And it's not like you could just shut your mouth and like I just know I'm not going to tell them the solutions right here, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, I can see that. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2:I'm one of those people. I've gotten wrapped up in what I'm doing and then all of a sudden just start talking out loud to myself and be like well, that's the solution. Blah, blah, blah, blah, and everybody else around me looking at me like I've lost my mind.
Speaker 1:Pretty much, yeah, pretty much. But.
Speaker 2:I can see this guy doing that. You know you've been working on a problem. You see the solution. I mean again, it's a balance between the two. When is doing it the old way a good thing?
Speaker 1:So what's? What is the solution here? How do we determine if it's old, it's bad, or if it's old, it's still good? It might just need to be tweaked a little bit.
Speaker 2:Well, again, as is, back to the close on the rocks. So try it at least once you know whatever your interest in try it, at least once. So we're going to do is mess up, and then you either try again or you pick something else.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we're going back to the primal basis of witchcraft trial and error. Trial and error, so same thing with all the sciences. That's how they were born out of trial and error.
Speaker 2:Well, think about it like you and music, through trial and error, you know which notes, which tunes, what melodies and go together right. My point there is as you become more accustomed to it, the easier it becomes. There's less thought behind it and more feel Gotcha, you know even on. You know electronics and stuff. I know it sounds weird, but when you get down to it and you've done it long enough, you sort of get a fit. I've heard them, you've heard them. Yeah, the way it's acting is probably the power supply. But let me check, is that not how the conversation normally goes?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and your dad's really good about doing that with a vehicle.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Well, what's it sound like? What's it sound like? Let me hear it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is what it sounds like it's doing, and this is what I think, but we're still talking about the same thing here. So I mean, at least experience, go out and do it, just don't toss it away because you think it's wrong. You know, don't throw all the old ideas out just because they're old. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. What no, I'm scared people are just going to throw out the old ways just because they're old Just because they're old, because it doesn't make any sense, because the language is a little hard to read or understand.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, I mean I was. I was recently looking up some stuff for runes, the, the elder Futhark runes, and which I am not Norse, by no means, no stretch of the imagination. And you know, there was a guy on discord that I talked to periodically and I know he's, he's part of the Norse family, part of the Norse path, and so I consulted him. He suggested that I check out the rune poems and I'm like, okay, so now I'm wondering where to find these. So I do some research and I find the room poems and they're like written in this odd language. Even translated into English it just doesn't read. And I'm like, oh, okay, this is going to take a little bit to.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, think about how hard it is just for us to read stuff from the silver war, right you? Know I'm sorry we're in that generation, we're not that far removed. No, and we have trouble reading this. This is like trying to read. Some of this stuff can come out to read. Trying to like read Shakespeare.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the old English.
Speaker 2:I mean trying to read old English is right.
Speaker 1:Sometimes it's like reading the King James Bible.
Speaker 2:Let's see one more the, the the, the, the dust.
Speaker 1:No, but just because it's old doesn't mean we can't learn from it. Right, If nothing else at least patients trying to read it If you don't throw it across the room first.
Speaker 2:Bless my heart.
Speaker 1:Wicca as a cult.
Speaker 2:Yes, okay, can we sort out? We all know what Wicca is in our view. On that, okay, right, what's the definition of cult?
Speaker 1:A religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious. A great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement or work, such as a film or book. The object of such devotion Small group of people characterized by devotion. A system of religious beliefs and ritual. A formal religious veneration.
Speaker 2:Not exactly what you thought it was.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Funny how that is. What do we think of cults? What do we think?
Speaker 1:of.
Speaker 2:Johnstown. God, I'm trying to think of the other one.
Speaker 1:The Manson family. Yeah, the Manson family Right. I'm never really sure about the Waco, if they were a cult or just I'm pretty sure they were a cult.
Speaker 2:I just don't think they had a name.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I'm not sure there, but I know there's some funky stuff and low and blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2:Right, anyway. Anyway, I could see we're in a world A witch, a trained witch and I'll even go as far, even a trained first degree could easily start a cult.
Speaker 1:How so.
Speaker 2:Because one of the things that we teach is human behavior. We teach people how to perceive it through our meditations through that it's been argued by Lord man and myself. All right that that that sixth sense, that we talk about. That extra special sense is not an actual sense in the way we think about it, but it's all the other senses hyped up.
Speaker 2:Okay, when you're slightly hearing a phone ring a millisecond before everybody else. That's why in the world you can reach for the phone, because you can already hear the ringing of the phone before anybody else. All right, because your senses are turned up slightly higher. I don't know if it's true or not, but it does make sense to me because I remember, after my initiation, going around and being able to feel things that couldn't feel before dust.
Speaker 2:and it's wonderful when you're a housekeeper, it's easy for us to manipulate people. There's the problem Because you know how we know psychological things. Craft is about psychologically manipulating ourselves, and once you learn that, manipulating others become even easier. Well, does that make sense? Because you learn how to manipulate yourselves, your own emotions and stuff like that to get what in the world you need, it becomes a whole lot easier to manipulate other people's.
Speaker 1:So you think that's the difference between say, like a solitaire, mm hmm, so starting a cult and an initiate. Starting a cult is the fact that the initiate knows better, not that the solitaire doesn't know how, but that the initiate knows better how to manipulate themselves, therefore being able to better manipulate other people.
Speaker 2:Well see and we've talked about this before even me myself at work I have sat there and convinced people that an idea I had was theirs, oh yeah. And then they walk straight to the boss's office, run their mouth the whole entire time, while my boss, on the other end, knows exactly where in the world that came from. Right and I've got another person in my back pocket to get what I want.
Speaker 1:Right. I've heard you do that many times.
Speaker 2:All right. So if I can do that there, what can I do for a large group of people? Could it be possible to mesmerize and glamor hundreds and thousands of people all at one time?
Speaker 1:I suppose it could. I will give you, actually, I know it can.
Speaker 2:I know it can and I can prove it. All right, you ready for my proof? Yeah, hitler.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:At the Ermburg trials, after it was all over with, more and more of his people kept on going, coming out going. I don't know why I did it. He said to do it, so I did it Right, and I'm sorry. The connection between the occult and Hitler is strong. We do not deny this. This is how dangerous craft can actually be Right when placed by little egomaniacs who don't know better, because somebody wanted to one up something. True, if a guy can do this to a whole entire country because again you got to remember Hitler went to jail and then suddenly comes back and he's suddenly this horrific talker out of nowhere.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:That does not happen. What happens is if somebody was initiated, somebody was given power to do this.
Speaker 1:Cause. See, I was thinking more along the lines of and I don't know if he's still around, but there was a TV evangelist in the Christian religion by the name of Benny Hinn.
Speaker 2:That Indian guy.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Hair looked like a platform coming off his head, yeah, yeah. I used to love washing him, I used to pick on him all the time. But yeah, um no, I actually went to go see him in person and this was really interesting because I mean, in a, in a stadium, it was a well, it was more like an arena because it was indoors, but this arena holds thousands of people, right?
Speaker 1:For sporting events, concerts, you name it right. This place was full. There were people outside watching on TV monitors. I watched this man get people into a state of mind where he could just fling his jacket in any direction and people would fall backwards.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So, yes, it is possible to mesmerize thousands of people at one time, and we do not deny our history of what in the world we have, what in the world our religion has done.
Speaker 1:Right, but I like that, I like the example of Hitler better, because that's, that's really, that's truly that's truly on a larger scale and, like you said, people coming out of the, out of the trials being like I don't know why I did it, I just did.
Speaker 2:I just did. You know, they, they, they claim that. A lot of them claim to be like they just woke up, like they've been in a daze the whole time, right Now, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2:Do I believe all of them? No, so again, this is the danger that we have in our religion. And then people want to sit there and go put your gatekeeper. Well, yeah, when I'm looking at stuff, when I'm looking at stuff like this, when I'm looking at having gates, when I'm looking at these cults that have destroyed lives and stuff like that, hell yeah, I'm gatekeeping. Wonder, where would I let somebody who would do shit like this out with weaponry? Hell, no, you know, when you show me you can handle it and maturely and all this other stuff, yeah, you're, you're told, I'm sorry, I've, I've taught people. I've seen people sit there and and start to misabuse the stuff that they're taught and yeah, them, them having to get a freaking lecture. No, you don't do that shit because you're, you're bored.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:There are certain aspects of our, of my religion that I believe should be held with respect, and are you with me on that? Respect and caution, and caution Absolutely yes.
Speaker 2:All right and because I'm sorry, it doesn't matter what religion you are, any of, anybody can do this. It's just a little bit more dangerous when you're getting into craft because, again, we mess with ourselves, we psychologically scar and twist ourselves up to get us to where we need to be Right and being able to. Once you do it to yourself, doing it to others starts to become an easier. Again, I will still argue. It's still about wheel who has the stronger wheel?
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:I will argue that till the day I die, until somebody can prove me completely wrong, but I don't see any other way. We have to be careful of cults, and I'm sorry. The more you go into the spiritual nature of our religion, the easier it becomes.
Speaker 1:Well, and you know, back in back in our childhood days in the late seventies, early eighties, everything outside of Christianity, catholicism, and I would say, probably say the Islamic religions had. Anything outside of the mainstream religions was considered a cult.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:It didn't matter what it was.
Speaker 2:No, I mean, don't get me wrong. We were seen as very dangerous back in the eighties and nineties. Yes, the word cult was overused for everything under the sun.
Speaker 1:Right. Anything outside of the mainstream mainstream religions was seen as dangerous.
Speaker 2:Right, in a cult. Again, we have freedom of religion in the United States. My stance is that same libertarian stance. I can believe the way I want to. You go, do your thing and we'll stay away from each other. Right? I don't have a problem when I'm sitting there watching the Christians going into the book stores with their little cameras going. Now, look at all the little witch books. We need to get these off the shelf in the whole of my New York, because I know it's never going to happen. Right, because the argument comes down to this If you take my books off, then you need to take your books off. Then the Bibles need to be locked up too, right? If you don't want them out there, then we get rid of all religions.
Speaker 1:Right, I mean, it works both ways. It works both ways. It's just like freedom of speech. If you're going to tell me I can't say something, guess what, babe? You can't say it either.
Speaker 2:Again, laws and stuff like that have to be done equally and fairly to all.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:All right. What's good for the ghost is good for the gander. If you can't, if you're sitting there saying I can't believe this way, then you can't believe your way either.
Speaker 1:Nope.
Speaker 2:We're still talking about a major foundational thought in craft.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:That people are allowed to believe whatever in the hell they want. And if you really want to be a part of a cult, no, we're not going to stop you, but I hope friends and families would tell you. Well, maybe not.
Speaker 1:Well, and we would hope that you would listen to them. We would You're walking into what you think is a traditional coven, a legitimate coven, and things start looking a little eh, vote with your feet, walk out that door. Vote with your feet. If it's something you want to get into, go right ahead. Just be careful.
Speaker 2:Be careful. I mean and again you have to be careful with witches doing cults and stuff like that. Your ability to manipulate you is higher and easier. It's easy to sit there and put out a lot of woo, woo, yeah.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:That you know, it sounds good when you're sitting there listening to your yoga and the whole nine yards and all that. But when you start to really think about what in the world they're saying, the subject seemed to start falling apart. Right? I've seen it more than once.
Speaker 1:Well and honestly.
Speaker 2:And especially if you start to dig deep down in there and start questioning them.
Speaker 1:Well, and again I've said it before, say it again, you're going to have to do a lot of digging, sometimes A lot of soul searching, and you know, sometimes you have to.
Speaker 2:I mean again the whole. Doing everything with a pinch of salt. No, do it with a truckload Right. Forget that pinch.
Speaker 1:Forget that grain. That grain of salt ain't going to get you nowhere.
Speaker 2:No, use a truck, use a day truck. Take everything with salt.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Everything you read, every politician, everybody, you got to sort of look at them and I'm not going to sit here and deny that individuals do not have their own.
Speaker 1:Their own beliefs, their own way of thinking.
Speaker 2:No, what I was thinking their own plot to get something done.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:But it's what they want, not necessarily an evil plot.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Everybody has their own goals and stuff.
Speaker 1:Alterior motives yes.
Speaker 2:Everybody has their alterative motives. Even I have my alterative motives about what I want to do.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:I'm not lying about that. I mean, I try my best to be upfront and honest with everybody about them. Hey, these are my motivations. This is what I'm trying to do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's one thing. It doesn't matter who walks through our doors. We've always been upfront and honest with them and we tell them to question everything, everything, everything and everyone.
Speaker 2:Speakey little. Listen much, Right. This is what we're talking about you. Listen to what people are actually saying. Think about it like this.
Speaker 2:All right, we've sort of talked about this. This might wind up you might stop me on this one the whole true and false on the fact checking. And they'll do that mostly true or mostly false. Okay, again, because that, in this circumstances, is sort of a halfway point and it really depends on how you want people to perceive the information that follows, if you're going to call it partially true or partially false. If I want people to see the negative light, I'm going to say it's partially false, which already sets up the expectations that everything that follows after it is going to show everything in a bad light. So I'm only going to read the title.
Speaker 1:So that, okay, that makes better sense. Partially false is mostly true, and vice versa.
Speaker 2:Literally they're the same exact thing. Yeah, all right, but this is where in the world these cult leaders use this stuff to flim flam you to get a certain viewpoint.
Speaker 1:Sure All right.
Speaker 2:I mean it's like a TV show. Well, it's mostly false that this TV shows bad.
Speaker 1:Mostly peaceful protests, oops.
Speaker 2:But again it's the same thing Right there is no mostly peaceful.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Either as peaceful or as not.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:This mostly is a con, is a trick, it is a form. This is how people start cults. This is the logic that they use to confuse you, to get you to believe or to stir up emotions in you. So you'll follow the emotion instead of the logic.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:All right.
Speaker 1:Because that's where they get you, especially in the cult mentality, right, if they can stir up the emotion and get you to follow your emotions.
Speaker 2:And it's with slight tricks of wording.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:To wear in the world. And again because again I've seen people get caught on this and somebody called them out and suddenly you keep on. Well, that's why I said it this way, because this accident in which they're then sitting there admitting okay, yeah, technically it's the same, it's a. Depending on how in the world you want to look at it. It could be good or bad, it really doesn't matter.
Speaker 1:It's just like a sleight of hand with words.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:It's all it is.
Speaker 2:I mean again, it's the argument over electricity. Is electricity good or bad, right? Well, it's a good thing if you're using it as a defibrillator to save somebody's life. It's a bad thing if you're in an electric chair. Right, it still does not change the nature of electricity.
Speaker 1:No, no, it doesn't.
Speaker 2:All right, but I can make you think electricity is bad because look what it's doing. Edison did the same thing in the current wars, so I'm going to skip this. He was trying to show the negative aspects and I'm sorry. This is what cult leaders do. Funny how that is.
Speaker 1:Funny Things that make you go, hmmm.
Speaker 2:Anything we didn't cover on this.
Speaker 1:I don't think so.
Speaker 2:Alright, I mean. I hope we covered it all, because Again, I'm hoping we're showing enough here about the sleight of hand.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:That's going on here to invoke emotions over, because, again, if I can get you to, if I can invoke emotion in you Before your logic kicks in, you're gonna be on my side. This is again the mob mentality.
Speaker 1:Or you're gonna be against me, depending on what I want you to do, right.
Speaker 2:Again, it's that same logic of the whole our basic instincts to be followers doing the herd thing.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:One, you're standing in a line or you're in a group of people. One person moves forward, everybody moves forward.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:You know, you see these parades and stuff and I've heard of people sitting there getting in front of these marches and stuff. And taking people down different lanes because they're following the leader Right. Unfortunately, that's not the leader. This is how this stuff works. You know, that's like the biggest joke about if you're trying to do something wrong at work, act like you're space to be doing it and nobody will stop you.
Speaker 2:I have heard that more than if you act like this is what you're, this is normal. This is what I don't know. What in the words you're talking about. The majority of people just walk right by you.
Speaker 1:Majority. There's always gonna be a few that's gonna question you. They're very few, but yeah, for the most part, people are just gonna leave you alone.
Speaker 2:And I'm sorry if you're not seeing this. Maybe you need to start paying better attention to behaviors.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:And stuff like that. Again, maybe you should do that meditation where in the world you're actually being able to critically think all the time. Maybe, and be able to utilize your emotions the way you want to Right, instead of them utilizing you.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:And so it is the end of our day. So walk with me till morning breaks, and so it is the end of our day. So walk with me till morning breaks, thank you.
