Is Spirit Energy the Same as the Soul?

This week we are discussing the differences between the soul and spirit energy. We are also discussing the theory of maximum genetic potential. 
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SPEAKER_02 0:28

Welcome to Pegan Coffee Talk. Here are your hosts, Oswan and Lord Knight. So today we've got a topic spirit energy versus the soul. So I guess we're looking at the uh the differences between spirit energy, what is soul?

SPEAKER_00 0:46

Well, there's a lot of times in the pagan community we seem to put one word in for the other a lot of times.

SPEAKER_03 0:53

Right.

SPEAKER_00 0:53

Right. So I'd like to try to define these a little bit better so we understand. Let's see, spirit energy, I think is easier. So let's start there. Spirit energy is when the four elements, earth, air, fire, and water come together. They create anybody? Spirit. Spirit. I was waiting for you to say Captain Planet. That might be a generational joke. But again, no, it creates spirit energy. Spirit energy exists in anything that is alive. From a single cell amoeba all the way up to a whale. Even aliens. If it's alive, it has we we believe it has spirit energy.

SPEAKER_02 1:45

Okay. So um, but that's including things like grass and trees as well, right? Yes. Okay. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:51

Everything from a single cell animal all the way up, or single-cell alive thing all the way up to which includes trees and leaves and all that. Okay. You know, uh, we've talked about this in the initiation that we use up life force energy when we do certain rituals and certain magics. Right. All right. And replacing that energy is hard. It takes time and effort. Uh, it's kind of like getting drunk. It takes a while to get past the hangover unless you drink enough water. Right. Ahead of time. Um, again, the same concept there is when you use up a bunch of life force energy, it takes a little time to build it back up. And we gain it through eating certain foods. Uh, the closer to raw, the better. The thought there is that there's more spirit energy in a raw carrot versus a cooked carrot. Right. That there's certain vitamins and minerals in there, but there's also life force energy. Make sense? Yeah. The thought there is just because you're alive and you got just because something's alive and it has spirit energy does not necessarily mean it has a soul.

SPEAKER_02 3:07

All right, that's gonna be confusing for some.

SPEAKER_00 3:10

I know. Just because something's alive does not necessarily mean it has a soul. Just because something has a soul doesn't necessarily mean it's alive. It would. Just because it's not alive does not mean it can't contain a soul. Um explain. Well, first of all, you gotta understand what a soul is. A soul, we believe that that a soul is pure energy, pure thought.

SPEAKER_02 3:45

Right.

SPEAKER_00 3:45

That's it. It has no physical form like we think of. Again, if you're watching, if you've ever watched SG1, uh Babylon 5, uh, where you have this alien race that has gotten to a certain point in their evolution to where they can now exist as pure energy. Make sense? Yeah, that's a soul.

SPEAKER_02 4:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 4:12

Soul is pure energy.

SPEAKER_02 4:15

Okay, but you just said energy, so yes.

SPEAKER_00 4:18

How is that different from spirit energy? Spirit energy, think of spirit energy as like gasoline. It's what we use to run on, it's the natural full fuel of the soul. Okay. All right, so in other words, in the afterlife or the realm in which souls really exist as just souls, there's spirit energy and it absorbs that to live off of. Like we absorb food and oxygen and all this.

SPEAKER_02 4:48

Okay, so could could we not just say that souls are spirit energy?

SPEAKER_00 4:53

Well, souls aren't. Spirit energy has really no thought to it. Does that make sense? It's just energy, it's like electricity. It don't really have a personality or anything, it's just electricity. Spirit energy is the same way. Okay, it's just energy. The soul actually has thought. The soul actually has thought. Okay. That's why we say they're both they're thought, they're energy and thought. All right. Does that make sense? Yep. Now, if we think of the spirit realm like an ocean, okay? The older and the more will a soul has, the more it can hold on to its self in this realm. All right. So think about this as being like icebergs in an ocean. All right. These these icebergs, these big lumbering icebergs that float around, these are older souls that have enough will and experience to hold on and have a sense of themselves over there. Those that don't or have psychological issues here, then travel over. So we take like the idea of um Jonah Varc. Now, I don't know if you remember, but back in the day when they were all everybody was doing the past life stuff.

SPEAKER_03 6:20

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 6:21

You remember that?

SPEAKER_03 6:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:23

And there was a bunch of people doing their past lives.

SPEAKER_02 6:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 6:28

And and and these same people kept on popping up, going, Well, I was Joan of Arc in a past life.

SPEAKER_02 6:33

Yeah, that was a quite a popular thing.

SPEAKER_00 6:36

Right. I mean, it was a running joke. Everybody was, you know, nobody was a bar slut. They were all Joan of Arc. Nobody was ever anything other than somebody famous or something. I don't know. Um it's like you can't all be Joan of Arc. Right. Or can they? What if, what if, let's say, for example, Joan of Arc's soul, for some reason, lost its sense of will, right? It's sense of itself. That when she died and crossed over, that all her memories and stuff just completely melted her iceberg or her little ice sheet that she was, and all them thoughts and stuff go back into the ocean to start being formed back again into new souls. Oh. So you might have a thousand people that have might have slight or small memories of Joan of Arc. Right. Because again, energy cannot be destroyed or created. So if that energy breaks down, it's got to go somewhere.

SPEAKER_02 7:51

Right, it's just gonna get reabsorbed.

SPEAKER_00 7:53

It's gonna get reabsorbed. That means those memories will get attached, which also might mean that hey, a new soul might suddenly have this wonderful obsession about John of Arc.

SPEAKER_02 8:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 8:07

All right, I'm just saying. I mean, because we already know, and we've already used the exam, we've used the example before, that we believe that some knowledge from one lifetime to another can be transferred.

unknown 8:23

Right.

SPEAKER_00 8:24

So so someone who can play an instrument, suddenly sing, uh do electronics, whatever. Even computer program out of nowhere.

SPEAKER_03 8:35

Right.

SPEAKER_00 8:35

And seems to have an easy oh, they just learnt it like it was, you know, like like a fish to water. Right. We believe that this is because you did this same thing or really close to it in previous lives. In other words, for the past three lifetimes, you might be playing piano, hence the reason in this one you're just like, oh, I recognize this, blah-da-da-da-da-da. Right. But again, we're we're still talking about a soul, and a soul, let's think let's say a soul is a six-dimensional creature that has no concept of what time or space is, right? That it travels via pure thought. If it wants to be in Egypt, it is in Egypt, for lack of better wording. It is in where it wants to be when it thinks of it. Okay. All right, kind of like astral travel. When you're astral traveling, you actually just perceive where you want to go when you're there. Right. Same concept.

SPEAKER_02 9:41

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:42

So you take this being that isn't used to this stuff, and then you shove it into this uh meat suit. And if we're looking at the meat suit as a uh as a um spacesuit protective gear, that's allows that soul that because this is not the soul's normal or um natural habitat.

SPEAKER_02 10:05

Right.

SPEAKER_00 10:06

This world, I believe, is toxic to souls.

SPEAKER_02 10:10

Right. We covered that previously.

SPEAKER_00 10:12

We covered that previous. That it's toxic, so it has to be in a body. Now, any arguments about anything I'm saying here so far that um I don't think so.

SPEAKER_02 10:25

I have another question, but okay. Um, well, it's it was re regarding souls breaking down uh in their natural habitat. That that leads to um the thought that new souls can be created.

SPEAKER_00 10:43

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 10:44

So we're not all just the same souls floating around over and over. No, it's not just there are new ones being created, so as the population grows, the number of souls grow.

SPEAKER_00 10:56

Okay, because we talked about in um reincarnation cycles, you know, that we believe, you know, you might start off as a amoeba and have to work yourself through the animal trick kingdom, right, then eventually become a human and blah blah blah. This still ain't gone away. We still believe the same thing. Okay, all right. The only difference is all I'm saying is those who have really, really low or psychological problems from over here can cause that soul when it goes to the other side not to transfer well back to its natural habitat.

SPEAKER_02 11:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 11:37

Does that make sense? Right. Think about it like this. Think about it like diving. You know, you dive so deep you have to come back up slowly. If you don't, you can get the bends. Right. So the same thing there.

SPEAKER_02 11:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 11:53

All right, that that something goes wrong in this process, and for some reason souls go that some souls go to the other side and yes, just fall apart and become water again. To be reformed into a maybe a snowflake, certain something that starts out kind of weak and barely can hang on to itself, but over the time it starts to build more ice up around itself and more ice up around itself, so it's not so gentle anymore.

SPEAKER_02 12:22

Right.

SPEAKER_00 12:22

Basically, it goes through that whole learning process of learning how to be strong and well, I again we talk a lot about you know looking to nature for answers. I don't believe that the cycles that we see in nature about people, you know, growing, learning, and all this goes away just because you go into the realm of the souls.

SPEAKER_02 12:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 12:44

Does that make sense that the that the same process going on there is going on here? Because to a certain degree, I believe that this world was created to force souls to evolve.

SPEAKER_02 12:56

Hmm. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 12:57

Yeah. In other words, that whole entire process of coming here and back over and over again is to force growth of souls for them to gain experience to learn more. Okay. So now the question now, with all this said, and we're talking about souls having energy. Now we already know certain energies on the human body is not very helpful.

SPEAKER_02 13:25

Right.

SPEAKER_00 13:26

You know, radiation, radiation tears us all to pieces, right? Sure it does. All right. Well, I believe that certain energies of the souls can actually damage the body if it's not built correctly. Okay can cause issues and psychological problems and emotional problems, and also physical problems. Because my belief is if the soul's too strong and they try to merge with a baby that might be too weak, that that that that energy can actually cause stillbirths by accident, not meaning to, but because this is my body, this is the next incarnation I'm doing, and the body's not good enough.

SPEAKER_02 14:14

All right. Well, question on that. Do you think that that could be a reason why we haven't had any significant figureheads constantly?

SPEAKER_00 14:26

I'm beginning to think so, because it's been a while since we've had a Christ figure or a Buddha figure, you know, or a Muhammad figure from the earth. One of these people that really come around and bring something new to the table. Right. I think we need stronger souls, but I don't think our bodies are strong enough.

SPEAKER_02 14:49

I think that's so so what what would make the body strong enough? Better genetics.

SPEAKER_00 14:56

Oh, okay. How do we do that? All right. Well, again, the concept works like this. And again, you gotta remember we us old guards do not like inconsistencies. All right. There was a lady during right before World War II that came out with this whole entire spiritual theory that the Aryan race was the pinnacle of evolution. I think her bias now again, when we receive messages, our bias often colors the information we get, and we have to be aware of that. And I believe this woman allowed her prejudice to color this information she got. And because she was said she was being told that the Aryan race was just already superior to everything else. I don't think that was the whole message. I think that was the message she told, you know, the people of Hitler and all that, and they started their reign of terror. But I think what the real message was that all the races of the world, all the Hispanics, all the Asians, all the people from Africa, all the Aryan race were already maxed out genetically in the way that they are.

SPEAKER_02 16:09

At that particular time in history.

SPEAKER_00 16:11

At that particular time in history. Okay. Because I believe what the gods did to speed up or to help speed up genetic differences, or should I say genetic evolution, that they sent certain people off that had certain genetic markers one way, they made the um the another tribe break up with certain genetic traits to go over in this area. And this is how we wound up with the you know, the Africans and the Asians and the Hispanics and blah blah blah. Make sense? Okay. Because again, if you couple smaller groups of genetic people, they'll go through that crucible faster.

SPEAKER_02 16:52

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 16:54

You know, genetic diversity, the whole nine yards. So my thought is, is especially here in the United States, I keep on seeing more and more people who are technically others. And when you say others, I mean our heritage is a little muddled.

SPEAKER_02 17:13

Okay. All right, so it would be like on the census where you know, where it says check your, you know, your race and there's an other.

SPEAKER_00 17:23

Right. I I think more and more people in the United States needs to start checking other.

SPEAKER_02 17:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 17:29

Because nobody, anybody who's lived in America who hasn't just gotten here, right? If you're not a new immigrant to the United States, more than likely you ain't pure blood nothing. Right. Normally, by this what, second generation in the United States, most people have somewhere in there, have someone in their family that has married somebody of a different race.

SPEAKER_02 17:53

Right. So we have race or nationality, or right.

SPEAKER_00 17:57

So we have more others here, even when we're looking at just like people from Europe. All right. When we first came over, you could be Irish, you could be Italian, right?

SPEAKER_02 18:11

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 18:12

I'm sorry, in my family tree, what were German, Jewish, Australian? I think there might even be a just a little bit of sheepdog in there. Who knows? But technically, I should be marking myself as an other. Right. And I think that needs to happen more and more here in the United States. The night United States needs to become a country of others.

SPEAKER_02 18:39

All right, so so how does how does this affect the soul inhabiting the body?

SPEAKER_00 18:45

Well, I think what it is is if you if you can imagine a person being born who has the best genetics of all the races, right? Uh-huh. I think this would be a superior body to house a superior soul. If this person, the person that we're talking about genetically, would literally take one of them tests and it would show them equally from everywhere around the world.

SPEAKER_02 19:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 19:13

All right. Now I'll give you an example of what I'm talking about. All right. So think about this. There are people that live up in the Andes that can survive on low oxygen compared to the rest of us. Right. There's a slight genetic change in them. They can process air a whole lot better than we can, oxygen a whole lot better than we can. All right. This is genetic. It's nothing they've done, it's no practice. This is completely genetic. There are also people in the tropics who dive for oysters. They have a higher lung capacity than the average person.

SPEAKER_02 19:49

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:50

Where they can dive deep. Imagine these two people these two different types of people have a kid together where they get the genetic uh processing of the people up in the Andes to process oxygen better, more efficiently, along with a person that has a bigger lung capacity.

SPEAKER_02 20:09

Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_00 20:10

Think about that for a second.

unknown 20:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:13

Do you see what I'm saying? All right, just like sickle cell in most people from Africa. All right. What if that's not a death sentence like we think it is? And it is not a disease. That there is a person that is being born in China right now that has the genetics to make that sickle cell into a more efficient cell that can take even more oxygen and minerals and energy to your muscles. Right. Think about that for a second. That means that this cell could possibly take more energy to the brain, that allows it to house more knowledge of the soul. All right. Yeah. Makes sense. Yeah. That if we want these higher souls, we need to bring people of the world where when they get together, where it is literally you are just from Earth. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_02 21:17

Right.

SPEAKER_00 21:18

Again, if you're genetically tested there, it's going to show you, you're going to get that piece of paper back. It's not going to say, well, you're you're you're you're African, you're subharian Africa, you're, you know, uh Venezuelan.

SPEAKER_02 21:33

Right.

SPEAKER_00 21:35

Do you see what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 21:37

It's just little hodgepods of everything.

SPEAKER_00 21:39

You literally that the Heinz 57. And again, our genetics and what we know about genetics prove this to be right. Dogs that we refer to as mutts, who are Heinz 57 of all of them, have less physical things wrong to them compared to a pure breed like our dog.

SPEAKER_02 22:00

True.

SPEAKER_00 22:01

Do you see what I'm saying? Right. The mutt's better. It's healthier. It's stronger. It's more agile. It has less medical problems. Am I making sense there?

SPEAKER_02 22:12

Yeah. So this is not anything that's going to happen probably in our lifetime or you know the generation coming up behind us. It's probably not even going to happen in their lifetime.

SPEAKER_00 22:22

It's this is a long way out, but it's a it's a long way out, but it's not as far as we think. Think of how many people you know. All right. Seriously, think about that. How many people do you know that are of a mixed race or multiple mixed races?

SPEAKER_02 22:39

Right.

SPEAKER_00 22:40

I mean, think about it. There are more and more of those here in the United States. Very true. All right. Unfortunately, yes, because of the regular political climate and stuff, everybody wants to see themselves as separate. But I believe that there are people out there that are technically others, but because they happen to be able to pass for this race or that race, that's what they put down.

SPEAKER_02 23:04

Right.

SPEAKER_00 23:04

So in other words, if I'm a mixed race and I have enough African African in me to where in the world I can put down, hey, well, I'm an American, black, whatever they call it now. Right. When they're really not. I think there are some people that claim to be Hispanic when they're really not, they're Hispanic and Asian or Hispanic and Asian and German. Right. Does that make sense? And I think that's where the problem is. I think if we looked at the census and got people to really put down what in the world they were, you would see that the United States is more other than compared to all the other countries.

SPEAKER_02 23:43

Right. Well, I mean, to do that, you're gonna have to get people to take genetic tests.

SPEAKER_00 23:49

Or to be, you know, 100% correct on or 100% on their senses and stuff like that. But again, if you go to Germany and you test all these people, the majority of these people in Germany are going to show up from Germany on a map genetically. Just like if you go to China and start testing these people, all these people are going to show is that they're from China because there's more there than anywhere else. Again, the United States is the only place where I've seen where we've made a the whole entire melting pot, which is not just genetics, it's culture, is everything, everything merging together as one.

SPEAKER_02 24:28

Right.

SPEAKER_00 24:29

To a certain extent. You know, I realize that there are some concepts and stuff there politically and stuff like that that are poses each other, but I I really do believe that we will eventually figure it out. Lord, I hope so. But I again, I don't think we were ever meant to stay yet, you know what I'm saying? Separate to stay separate, yes. Right. And I and I really don't like using the word races because there aren't races in my head, they're just bodies and souls.

SPEAKER_02 25:01

Right.

SPEAKER_00 25:02

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 25:03

Right. We're all really just one race of people with a human race of people.

SPEAKER_00 25:08

Right. Because again, if it if we were different races or different species, I don't think we would be able to have babies with one another.

SPEAKER_02 25:19

You know. Um well, um species, yes.

SPEAKER_00 25:22

Um Well, I mean, like it like if you a tiger and a lion are genetically far enough away from one another that if they can have a kid, but that kid is a hybrid and cannot reproduce. It's kind of like a donkey. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 25:41

Because a donkey is a hybrid.

SPEAKER_00 25:43

Right. When that happens, you actually have different races.

SPEAKER_02 25:49

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 25:50

In my head, genetically speaking, if the offsprings can't have kids, you're actually of two different races or two different species, and you can't mate together because your kids can't have kids.

SPEAKER_02 26:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 26:02

But that's not true for the human race.

SPEAKER_02 26:04

No, it's not.

SPEAKER_00 26:06

You know, all the mixed kids I know, all the mixed kids I know, yeah, that are grown, trust me, they can have kids. Right. You know, I I've seen a few actually have kids.

SPEAKER_02 26:22

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 26:25

So yeah, I think it's happening more and more, and just nobody's really paying attention or being honest about it.

SPEAKER_02 26:32

But you think that's you think that's gonna get us to the point where we can have we might be able to get another religious figure to help us to grow more.

SPEAKER_00 26:43

Okay. You know, at least that's my hope. I could be wrong.

SPEAKER_02 26:49

Well, unfortunately, we're not gonna see that in our lifetime, so maybe not, but we'll see. Thanks for listening. Join us next week for another episode. Pegan Coffee Talk is brought to you by Life Temple and Seminary. Please visit us at life templeseminary.org for more information, as well as links to our social media Facebook, Discord, Twitter, YouTube, and Reddit.

SPEAKER_01 27:14

We travel down this trodden path, the maze of stone and mire. Just hold my hand as we pass by a steel blazing fires. And so it is the end of our day, so walk with me till morning break. And so it is the end of our day, so walk with me till morning.