Male Mysteries and Folk Traditionalists

In this episode of Pagan Coffee Talk, hosts Lord Night and Oswin explore the often-overlooked world of male mysteries and what it truly means to grow into manhood. From the lessons learned through father-son bonding to the instinctual drive for courage, protection, and self-sacrifice, they unpack how these formative experiences shape a man’s character. The conversation delves into practical rites of passage, traditional skills like fire-starting, and the subtle, action-based lessons fathers pass down that aren’t taught in books.

The hosts also shift focus to the distinctions between folk magic and traditionalist paths within witchcraft and pagan practice. They discuss the mislabeling of family folk traditions as “traditionalist” practice, the importance of proper initiation, and how authentic traditionalist craft differs from folklore-based magic. With references to Appalachian folk magic, Christian-influenced spells, and the ethics and oaths that define a true traditionalist, this episode offers listeners an insightful guide for anyone exploring witchcraft, paganism, or spiritual practice.

Whether you’re curious about the mysteries of masculinity, the difference between folk magic and initiated craft, or the ethics and rituals that underpin traditional witchcraft, this episode provides a thought-provoking journey into both personal and spiritual development.

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SPEAKER_02 0:21

Welcome to Peg and Coffee Talk. Here are your hosts, Oswin and Lord Knight. Today let's talk about male mysteries.

SPEAKER_01 0:30

Okay.

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Now, this is a thing. We've heard it said there are no male mysteries.

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We have heard that.

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We have heard that women should be privy to male mysteries.

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But we're not supposed to be privy to theirs.

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Right. But we are. So right.

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I I mean I hate to be that way.

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Some of them, yeah.

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You know, I'm I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to piece the rest of them together.

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I honestly believe that there are quite a few of the male mysteries that women already know.

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Oh, um I'm almost guaranteed that. You know. I I I can guarantee that.

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That because I don't think these mysteries are really anything secretive. They're not really mysteries per se.

SPEAKER_01 1:21

No. They're and I want to say they're sometimes the best way to look at them is they're not mysteries, they're just stuff you would mom wouldn't let you do.

SPEAKER_02 1:32

Right. Or if you had a single single parent who was a mother.

SPEAKER_01 1:39

No, I mean that whole entire thing of, you know, the difference between when dad's watching you and mom's watching you.

SPEAKER_02 1:44

Oh, okay, yeah.

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You know what I'm talking about? And dad lets you get away with all sorts of stuff. It'll be all right that your mom would never allowed you to do.

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Right.

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I know, go ahead. Jump off the damn roof. Let's see how well that's gonna go. Here, hold this umbrella. Right.

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See how far you get.

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Yeah. I think those are the male mysteries.

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Okay.

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And that's why people think there aren't male mysteries. Because they are mysteries of action, of doing.

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It's basically growing up and learning to be a guy.

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Right. I mean, again, i if you think about it this way, and uh me and Lady Keegan had a conversation about this. And we she was sitting there one day complaining about she was starting her monthly and she was getting that boost of testosterone. And she was saying something about that, about how aggressive and stuff she felt during all of this, and I'm like, Well, that's that shot of testosterone you're getting. Which starts your cycle. And she's like, Well, yeah. I was just like, Yeah, that's like a guy on a daily basis.

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Right.

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And she's like, So one of the mysteries there is y'all learning how to control or to aim or to push that aggression in more other ways than just lashing out.

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Right.

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It's not something you're told you're just I don't know how to put that. My dad was your dad would show would show you or tell you how to do it by doing it, not by by being it, not by telling you.

SPEAKER_02 3:22

Right. There wasn't anything that he could really Well, I mean, there was things I feel that he could have told me, but he didn't. Instead, he was the example.

SPEAKER_01 3:32

Right. You know, I mean don't get me wrong, I mean my dad taught me a lot of things about like, you know, it through his actions about the whole entire thing of how a male's pride can sometimes be more detrimental to them. Right. Because I mean I I remember being a kid, you know, teenager and stuff, and watching him like fall into a hole and actually really hurt himself.

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Right.

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And him just sitting there going, I'm fine, go inside.

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Right.

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And I mean, again, it wasn't anything else, it was a pride thing.

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Right. It's a it's it's yeah.

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Yeah. And and again, there's a difference there, you know, by his actions, and don't get me wrong, I love my dad to death, and he's a wonderful man, but this was the lesson that he taught me by showing it. Right. That sometimes, you know, guys' prides can get into their own way. And we gotta be aware of that. You know, it's one thing, what, to rub dirt into it and walk off and walk it off, and then there's No, there's a bone sticking out of there. Yeah, you you might need to go to the hospital. Right. No, it'd be alright. It's just a flesh whoop.

SPEAKER_02 4:42

Right. Yeah, we'll just we'll we'll wrap wrap it up and yeah, it'll be alright.

SPEAKER_01 4:46

Yeah, the whole mighty python. It's just a flesh wheel. Arms off. I mean, I I I think these are the male mysteries, and this is why a lot of people don't think there are male mysteries. Right. Because they're not easily translated. You know, hence the reason I think like the Boy Scouts was a really good idea. And I think the Boy Scouts would have been better if it was more of an encouragement of father and son versus you with with the other boys and a scout leader. And just a scout leader.

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Right.

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And I'm not saying that against the scout leader, I'm just saying to me it seems like that should have been more of a function to bond father and son together by doing these activities with other fathers and sons. I I think Boy Scouts would have been a whole lot better than that.

SPEAKER_02 5:34

Well, see, like growing up, I grew up in a Southern Baptist church, and my dad and my mom both. We we had an organization in our church called the Royal Ambassadors or the RAs. And they were teachers in this organization, and they encouraged a lot of the fathers. The RAs was it was for boys. Right. You know, we had our GAs or Girls in Action, that was for the girls, but both organizations encouraged the parents to get involved.

SPEAKER_01 6:09

Yeah.

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And so therefore, like when the boys would go camping or whatever, it was encouraged that the fathers come.

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Mm-hmm.

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Whenever we went out to go do things for people who weren't able to do things, like cleaning up their yards and stuff like that, the fathers again were encouraged to come along, spend time with their sons. Let's do some bonding, learn some lessons.

SPEAKER_01 6:35

Learn some lessons. See, I really like this idea. We got a lot of guys out there right now, and I don't think they necessarily know how to be a dad, how to teach those lessons.

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Right.

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With the advancement of technology and stuff like that, how many people actually know how to actually start a fire by the whole rubbing two sticks together?

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Right.

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I mean the fact is this was a skill that all kids learnt at some point. It's great for a boy's self-confidence and stuff to realize that they've went out, captured their food, put it on the table, prepped it, cooked it, and was eating it. Right. You know, I can't explain to you what the male mysteries are there until you until you're a guy going through the process.

SPEAKER_02 7:25

Does that Yeah, it makes sense.

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No, we're not gonna see it like women. You know, uh and women aren't gonna act like men, but I believe the sexes need the time to be themselves.

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Right. There are things unique to both sexes that the other cannot experience.

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Right. I mean, don't get me wrong, there there's some mysteries there, you know, like that dads can teach, and normally those things come along the lines of, you know, when you have that dream in the middle of the night and you go to your dad and things are a little messy. Right. Uh shaving. You know, I mean, why this was not originally a male mystery, it becomes a male mystery because the bond between father and son, showing him how to do this, what to do, and how to avoid the mistakes he made trying to learn maybe by himself.

SPEAKER_02 8:20

Right. You know, I my dad didn't really teach me the shave, I sort of had to figure it out for myself, but well, my dad didn't really teach me that either, but he did let me play with razors that didn't have a blade in it. Yeah. And so I by doing that, I was kind of gaining some knowledge of what to do and how to travel the blade in certain directions.

SPEAKER_01 8:43

Again, I'm not kicking my dad because my dad, as long as I can remember, my dad's always used an electric razor. Oh, okay, yeah. He's never used a regular Right, like a razor. A razor razor and did it wet. So he never actually showed me or anything. So I sort of had to, yeah, figure it out because it's not what he did. Right. And I and and I did the same thing for years. I just used an electric razor because that's what my dad did.

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Right.

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You know, I mean the fact that it tore my face up all like I didn't like, but you know, there was that this this requires no instructions on how to do. You just place and rub on face. Right.

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I don't know. I tried an electric razor and I felt like it was just pulling the fuck out of all the hairs and I just I couldn't deal with it. But I grew up shaving.

SPEAKER_01 9:34

So I again this is them things that boys need to learn. They need to spend time with their dads.

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I think so, yeah.

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They need to spend time they need to spend time with their dad around other men.

SPEAKER_02 9:47

Did that make sort of Yeah, I think that's important because there are other lessons that can be gleaned and it goes beyond just, you know, quote unquote how to be a man.

SPEAKER_01 9:58

Well, I mean, I I remember growing up and my dad and my dad taking me fishing with his buddies. Right. So I got to learn how to be a guy watching my dad interact with other guys, right, which taught me how to interact with other guys.

SPEAKER_02 10:12

Exactly.

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To assert how far you can push it or not.

SPEAKER_02 10:15

Right. Yeah. It also goes to how to treat your partner, how to treat your wife, your husband, you know, your husband, your boyfriend, your girlfriend.

SPEAKER_01 10:25

Right. How to treat your family. And when you need to be that guy that stands in the way so everybody else can be safe.

SPEAKER_02 10:35

Right. And sometimes it it's something as simple as You know, son, when you're walking with your girlfriend down the sidewalk, you make sure you are on the side of the traffic.

SPEAKER_01 10:47

Right. I know a lot of people would look at you going, Well, what's the point on that?

SPEAKER_02 10:51

But Well, it's a protection thing.

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It's a protection thing. You know, if a car was gonna hit you, I could push you out of the way and I'd get hit, not you.

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Right.

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And again, here's a mindset of guys. We're we're taught. I I don't want to say tall, but somehow in the back of our mind, I think we're programmed to self-sacrifice.

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Uh yeah, I think so.

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You know, I mean, no, not all men do uh but uh the majority. I I I think when it comes down to it, you know, even the most timid guy would be that guy that would stand up for his girl or his family and stand in the way, knowing that the people are going to to give his family more of a time to either get away or escape or live just a little bit longer.

SPEAKER_02 11:35

Right.

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You know, I don't think that's a lesson that we're taught by our fathers. I just I think it's something innate.

SPEAKER_02 11:42

Yeah, I think that's that's something that's more like an instinct.

SPEAKER_01 11:46

Uh what I think our fathers and other men teach us on this is how to accept that about ourselves.

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Good point.

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That whole entire concept of a brave man does something in spite of his fear.

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Right.

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That we do it because we are afraid of it.

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You know facing facing those fears head on. Head on. Yeah.

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And not shying away from 'em. Because nobody's going to coat things over, nobody's going to make anything easy for you.

SPEAKER_02 12:18

No. No spoonful of sugar here. I mean you know.

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I I mean, and it's not, ooh, I'm big, bad, and tough. It's just I'm doing what's needed to be done.

SPEAKER_02 12:31

Right. It needs to be done, it's necessary, so this is what I have to do.

SPEAKER_01 12:35

You know, I d I I know for a fact, and I've driven you up the wall because I I I have this type of attitude and stuff like that. And I I remember many a times I've been out was outside and splitting a couple of cords of wood, and you sitting there getting mad because I'm just getting too old to do this. Right. And you're like, no, you gotta stop. No, you gotta stop. Again, that male pride coming in there, which is, yeah. But again, this male pride to a certain extent is also helpful when we're dealing in the concept of sacrificing ourselves for others.

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Well, yeah, and I'm not saying pride's a bad thing.

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It can be just like anything else, but when it gets into your way of just being stupidity, it's a bad thing.

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Right.

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Well, it it's just like anything else we talked about, about moderation of all things. You know, is is the best course. Right. I think. Uh I could be wrong there.

SPEAKER_02 13:30

Right. And I think it's okay to be stupid every once in a while. But just don't be like really stupid.

SPEAKER_01 13:37

Don't go off and every boy in the life every boy in their life should say at least five times, hey guys, watch this.

SPEAKER_02 13:43

Right. Look, Mono hands. What? What are you doing? Stop.

SPEAKER_01 13:53

Wait a minute. Remember, I was the one that would where my mother looked at my friends and went, if he jumped off a bridge, would y'all right?

SPEAKER_02 14:02

Because you were the instigator. Yes, I know.

SPEAKER_01 14:06

Didn't instigate. I encouraged, I motivated. Whatever. Sure you did. I think I'm about out of coffee on this.

SPEAKER_02 14:15

All right. All right, so let's talk about something else. Folk magic eagles traditionalist. No, don't. Because we've been hearing this a lot lately. We have. We have. That traditional bit that being a traditional witch means that you deal with folk magic. That is a lie.

SPEAKER_01 14:36

Are there traditionalists who follow and study folk magic and folklore and all that? Yes. Sure, yes. Well, this is more about what makes a traditional a traditionalist. What makes a traditionalist a traditionalist is that you are trained and initiated into craft. Right. Folk magic can become of religion and can become a member of craft.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:03

With voodoo. Because it was a mixture of Catholicism and African ritual practices. And that's it. Right. That's folk magic. Just like up here in North Carolina, North and South Carolina and all that, up near the Blue Ridge Parkway and all that, where we had the people from Highland of Scotland and Southern Baptists coming together. Right. They created what is known as, uh nowadays is known as granny magic. All right. This is where we get the uh granny from the Beverly Hillbillies character. This is what she is. Right. Right. All right. This doctor slash healer slash brewery maker slash cook. And this is what a granny witch is. Right. This is folk magic. All right. And if I'm sorry, if you lived in Ireland and stuff like that and Scotland and all that, that's your folk magic. Am I making any sense here? Yeah. This is not a stepping stone to being a traditionalist. What separates traditionalists from all the other ones are we are initiated. And we're not talking about self-initiations, which ain't real. Alright? I don't care if they videotape them or not. They're not real.

SPEAKER_02 16:22

Alright, well, what about you you said we're what makes us a traditionalist is that we are initiated. Right. What about those family folk traditions? And I use the words folk traditions loosely, where they do actually initiate their children into their practice.

SPEAKER_01 16:47

And that's a family tradition, and I wouldn't want to step into that Hornet's Nest to save my life.

SPEAKER_02 16:55

But they're initiated.

SPEAKER_01 16:56

They're initiated, but that's normally within the family itself. It's never going to grow past it.

SPEAKER_02 17:03

So but can't but by that definition, can't they call themselves a traditionalist?

SPEAKER_01 17:07

Well, I mean, it's just like I said, I'm not saying that traditionalists don't study or practice certain folk medicine stuff. It's just not required to be a traditionalist. Did that make sense?

SPEAKER_02 17:20

A little bit, but I'm still I'm still back to if you've got people who are practicing folk magic.

SPEAKER_01 17:27

Okay, these people that you hear talk about folk magic and stuff like that. Right. They talk about Celtic myths and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02 17:33

Right.

SPEAKER_01 17:33

You never hear them talk about damn Johnny Appleseed. No. Or babe the big blue ox and Paul Bunyan and all this. No. If you're teaching, if you're going to do fucking magic, let's start hearing you talk about these of the land that you live on. If you're going to get that specific, use the ones from your land. Okay. And again, this is an initiated tradition that we are in. You come in, you study, you're trained to understand certain things, and then you're initiated. Then you start your training again for second degree and you're initiated. Then the same thing happens again at third. You're initiated.

SPEAKER_02 18:13

That's what makes a traditionalist.

SPEAKER_01 18:15

That's what makes us traditionalist. Now, if you're just part of a family and they're doing some type of initiation, I can't sit there and say if it's a pagan thing or if it's that hillbilly initiation type thing. Do you know what I'm talking about?

SPEAKER_02 18:32

Where it becomes more like a rite of passage.

SPEAKER_01 18:34

Yeah, where it's more of a rite of passage versus today I am a man because I went through because I my uncles took me out to the woods and left me somewhere drunk for three days.

SPEAKER_02 18:45

Right, and told me to find my way home.

SPEAKER_01 18:46

And told me to find my way home. This to me has nothing to do with craft. This has to do with the social of the family. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_02 18:57

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 18:58

The social working of the family. This initiation is not an initiation technically into craft. This is an initiation into their family.

SPEAKER_02 19:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 19:08

This is where this difference is between these initiations.

SPEAKER_02 19:11

Yeah, that's that's kind of what I was trying to get to because I know it's a hard topic to it is, and I know I have to go all the way out to limbo to come all the way back. Right.

SPEAKER_01 19:22

I don't know how else to explain it.

SPEAKER_02 19:24

Right, because I'm sure some people were like, what's that got to do with any of the things?

SPEAKER_01 19:27

Well, and see, here's what makes it harder is that me and you both know that I have members in my family who live this type of lifestyle that we're trying to vaguely go around. And yet these people only come out of the hills and the mountains once a year to buy sugar, corn, and some other things and pick up some odds and end and go back.

SPEAKER_02 19:47

Right.

SPEAKER_01 19:47

And you never hear you don't hear from them again for another year. These types of family, they're very close knit. We're not talking about inbreeding, but they're very close knit, and you do not want to go on their property without permission.

SPEAKER_02 20:00

Right.

SPEAKER_01 20:00

Or without them being knowing or you being related to them, you'll get shot. And they won't find the body.

SPEAKER_03 20:07

Right.

SPEAKER_01 20:08

Secrets in the south. That lifestyle, that right there is completely different than craft. Because that initiation is an initiation into the family.

SPEAKER_02 20:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 20:20

Alright, or a coming of age type of initiation. That you know, from this point on, we're gonna look at you either as a man or a fully grown woman and treat you as such. So what you're talking about is more of a rite of passage versus an initiation.

SPEAKER_02 20:36

Well, I mean, I was just curious because I know there's gonna be somebody. Somebody.

SPEAKER_01 20:40

Well, and I understand.

SPEAKER_02 20:41

And it would and you know, and we did have somebody contact us via email who was kind of in that same situation where they practiced with their family.

SPEAKER_01 20:50

Right.

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And that's what they were initiated into.

SPEAKER_01 20:54

Well, see now now again, this this might only be our temple, but we tend to want to stay away from family members initiating other family members.

SPEAKER_02 21:04

Right, but I mean if it's if it's a family practice.

SPEAKER_01 21:09

Right. I I'm not gonna say anything because it's a family practice.

SPEAKER_02 21:14

But does that make them traditionalist?

SPEAKER_01 21:18

I guess it really depends on if they're like following the ethics and morals and the laws and am I making sense there? Which a lot of these families like you're talking about don't do. They just have their own way of doing things, and that's just it.

SPEAKER_02 21:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 21:34

You know, so yeah, I mean, there are more things behind that, but the main thing there is it is an initiation. And again, it's not a self initiation. I want to make sure we have that distinguished.

SPEAKER_03 21:49

Right.

SPEAKER_01 21:50

So that way you, if you got somebody who's self initiated, going, well, I practice folk magic and I'm self initiated, so I'm a traditionalist. No, you you you're not. Right. There's a little bit more to it than that. Like I said, following the laws, following the ethics and morals, and having them oaths. Right. Because in these family things, your O's are normally taken to the family and craft. Our O's are taken to craft itself.

SPEAKER_02 22:17

Right.

SPEAKER_01 22:18

Not necessarily the tradition altogether. So I mean, otherwise, I mean, this is folk magic. And I don't see how in the world people are calling that traditionalist. All right. I I mean, in a certain extent, I understand that it's traditional magic and traditional folklore and all this stuff. Yes. But it's not traditional craft. And like I said, these most of these people that I see online claiming this, especially in the U.S., they're not using U.S. mythology. No, they're not. They're either using Norse or whatever. So again, you're lying out your ass because that's not the folk magic of the land that you live in. Right. And I think you should start using that if you're going to call yourself, you know, a folk magic here in the United States. You need to use our legends and myths.

SPEAKER_02 23:06

Right. I mean, uh it wasn't, I guess. I don't know. It was earlier this year that I I actually read a book on Appalachian magic, folk magic.

SPEAKER_01 23:19

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 23:20

And their biggest thing was if you're going to practice Appalachian folk magic, you need to go with the myths and legends and the lore of the land on which you reside.

SPEAKER_01 23:35

Right. So, I mean, are these people really what in the world they say they are? If they're following these men, well, you know, I I I'm from that part. You haven't been from that part in generations.

SPEAKER_02 23:46

Right. It's like I don't think I could practice Appalachian folk magic, but I could practice some type of folk magic in the area in which I grew up.

SPEAKER_01 23:55

Well, I don't know which is worse. These people actually fooling themselves into thinking this, right?

SPEAKER_03 24:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:03

Or the fact is that they actually think this. I I don't know which is worse, that they actually practice it or they think this is what the world this is.

SPEAKER_02 24:12

Which came first, the chicken or the egg.

SPEAKER_01 24:14

I I don't exactly.

SPEAKER_02 24:18

How can you really say?

SPEAKER_01 24:20

I mean, but again, I mean, you see these folk magic and stuff, and and and then you you see them online, and I don't see any of them doing anything folksy.

SPEAKER_02 24:27

Yeah, I mean, I have nothing against folk magic. Folk magic, I mean I grew up with some folk magic. It's it it it's it's some powerful stuff.

SPEAKER_01 24:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:37

It works.

SPEAKER_01 24:38

Well, I mean, I I was raised on it too. I mean, my grandma came from those regions and knows some of that, knew some of that granny stuff.

SPEAKER_02 24:46

Absolutely, yes.

SPEAKER_01 24:47

All right, and I I I'm sorry, but you're gonna call it folk magic, but one of the remedies for getting a burn out for talking the heat out of burns is doing nothing more than the Lord's prayer while blowing a cross on the damn thing.

SPEAKER_02 25:00

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 25:02

Oh, yeah, that's craft alright, right there. I mean, yeah. Completely from a different religion craft.

SPEAKER_02 25:09

Well, that's that's uh that's a totally different topic, but yeah, and a lot of the Appalachian folk magic stuff is based in Christianity.

SPEAKER_01 25:18

But that that's my point. This is what folk magic is. Folk magic is the blending of two different cultures to make a new culture. Right. That's folk magic. Traditional magic is a more set up course, or what am I what am I trying to think of? Uh more organized than folk lore. Because a lot of folk a lot of folklore I knew growing up, some of it never made any sense. Right. Because one would tell you to do, because one of the folklores I remember growing up with where we live was if you pull a cat alive, and the first bone that comes up you take to a crossroads, hold your hands above your head, and say everything between my hands and my feet I give to the devil, you suddenly supposedly based to become a witch.

SPEAKER_02 26:06

Right.

SPEAKER_01 26:07

With powers in the home nine yards.

SPEAKER_02 26:09

Right.

SPEAKER_01 26:09

I don't see too many people doing that shit either. You know, the first person to do it, I'm gonna say you you little nuts to pull a cat alive. I'm just Right. So, I mean, how much of this folklore are you following? How much of it aren't you following? Are you only following the ones that you like? Are you cherry picking?

SPEAKER_02 26:32

Right, we're back to if you're going to follow that, you need to follow it.

SPEAKER_01 26:38

Right. Don't sit there and tell me about your Fei One when you're claiming to be a folk magic and you're living in North Carolina and you're living in uh uh the United States, and you don't sit there and talk about Johnny Appleseed. Right. You're not doing folk magic, you're being a dick. Right. Pretty much. I well maybe okay, maybe being a dick is too harsh of a word. You're being not quite honest with yourself, I I I guess would be the way to put that. And I don't know how to tell people what a traditionalist is without starting to spill some mysteries. But I mean there are certain sets of rules and ethics and stuff and oaths and stuff that we take to make us a traditionalist. Like one of the O's that we take is that if we reveal any of our mysteries to anyone outside of teaching and prepared and correctly done, that we lose our chances of uh reincarnation, all our tools and powers will turn against us, and we just become complete idiots.

SPEAKER_03 27:42

Right.

SPEAKER_01 27:44

So, yeah, I think I'm done. I'm out of coffee.

SPEAKER_02 27:48

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SPEAKER_00 28:06

We travel down this trodden path, the maze of stone and mire. Just hold my hand as we pass by a sea of blazing pyres, and so it is the end of our days, so walk with me till morning breaks, and so it is the end of our days, so walk with me till morning.