Embracing Music as a Spiritual Pathway

Unlock the transformative power of music and sound in your spiritual practices. Imagine a world where your voice is not just a tool for communication but a profound spiritual conduit that can alter your consciousness and emotional well-being. Using music can engage your brain, creating connections that speech alone cannot achieve. Through personal anecdotes and inspiring stories, we explore the intriguing phenomenon where music allows even stroke and dementia patients to find their voice. We invite you to embrace your voice, regardless of musical talent, and discover how chanting and singing can connect you to deeper aspects of your being and enhance your spiritual journey.

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Speaker 1 0:17

Welcome to Pagan Coffee Talk. If you enjoy our content, please consider donating and following our socials. Now here are your hosts, lady Abba and Lord Knight, and we're back with fresh coffee.

Speaker 3 0:30

And a ironically, sonically probably displeasing version of pagan coffee talk today.

Speaker 1 0:38

Probably is.

Speaker 3 0:39

Yeah, we are dealing with some well, I mean with everything going on in the state after the hurricane. We're recording in a different way than usual, which is going to definitely affect our audio quality. So we apologize for this everybody, but we'll get through it. So I know that you and Lord Knight did an episode not all that long ago about music and about sound in general. Give us kind of a quick recap on that.

Speaker 1 1:16

Well, we've touched on it in several ways, being that sound in general can be a good way to alter your consciousness, yep, and in doing so, you're able to tap into more abilities of the brain, if you will, because you're opening up all that, all that space in the brain. Right, and it's got to do with resonance, it's got to do with vibrations. It's got to do with vibrations, it's got to do with tones. Each note vibrates at a certain frequency.

Speaker 3 1:53

Well, just too, if I'm not mistaken, the part of the brain that controls speech is different from the part of the brain that deals with music and song, which is why often stroke and dementia patients have an easier time singing than they do speaking, and they can remember things in song that they can't readily access. You know, it's wild. It's a completely different portion of the brain, right Interesting. So we wanted to explore a little bit about the voice, I'm going to say as a spiritual conduit maybe.

Speaker 1 2:45

Okay.

Speaker 3 2:47

Chanting, singing, speaking rhythm. You know, at the end of the day and we've heard plenty of people say it right we are a musical instrument. Right, I mean technically, that's accurate.

Speaker 1 3:03

Oh, it is.

Speaker 3 3:04

Yeah, our chest cavity and the way our vocal cords work is basically a guitar.

Speaker 1 3:10

Right Between the between the chest cavity and the nasal cavities. You know you've got four, at least four cavities up in your head, so I mean that's a lot of resonant space.

Speaker 3 3:19

Yeah, and then it's just a matter of how we use it. You have always also cracked me up because, as our resident music director and musical compadre, most of the people at Temple cannot sing, myself included, and you will always kind of have this.

Speaker 3 3:42

Everyone needs to make a joyful noise sometimes attitude towards it, because otherwise and you will always kind of have this everyone needs to make a joyful noise, sometimes Right Attitude towards it, right, because otherwise you know we do. We have to encourage people to use their voice as a spiritual gift, even if they don't necessarily possess music abilities.

Speaker 1 4:00

Right.

Speaker 1 4:01

And I think that that is important and it's something that people tend to shy away from because they're embarrassed well, I mean, I look at it this way I grew up in a church and their thing was make a joyful noise unto the Lord. I heard it all the time, all the time, and so it was an encouragement for folks like my daddy. My daddy couldn't carry a tune in a bucket if he gave it to him, but daddy loved to sing. Oh, mama, mama tried her best. She could somewhat carry a tune, but she tried her best, but she loved to sing.

Speaker 3 4:39

Where did you come from then? I have no idea.

Speaker 1 4:42

My grandma. My grandma, I think, oh, okay, yeah, my grandma used to be a singer, so I think I got it from her, but I don't know it just, yeah, that kind of stuck with me throughout everything. Every aspect of my life was that, and music's always been a huge part of my life. I, if I didn't have music, I don't know where I'd be.

Speaker 3 5:05

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 5:06

So yeah, even inside of ritual space, you know, make a joyful noise. It is what it is. It uplifts the spirit.

Speaker 3 5:15

I think I'm curious, the why is what always gets me? You know why? Because I mean, at the end of the way we all do it, we all sing when no one's listening, we all you know we sing in the car, but why is it so moving and so important? It's a really wild phenomenon and I mean, even you know babies we're all affected by it and I've always kind of wondered, yeah, what that is exactly and where it comes from, because it's not something we often think about, we just do it.

Speaker 1 5:53

I think it kind of starts as babies, mothers sing to their babies. It's comforting, it's soothing, right. And then as we get older, we find other aspects. We find that music touches certain emotions.

Speaker 3 6:09

Yeah, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 6:11

There's a song by Celtic Thunder. I love this song but I cannot listen to it. It tears me up every time and I just I cannot listen to it. But it's a beautiful song and I love it.

Speaker 3 6:25

yeah, but that's the power of music yeah it has a way of touching you how and I wonder this because I often think when people do, I think back to when I did you solitary rituals and I wasn't part of a group. I don't know how much of them. I spoke aloud. Do you know what I mean? I don't know.

Speaker 1 6:51

Probably none.

Speaker 3 6:52

Yeah.

Speaker 1 6:53

If any.

Speaker 3 6:54

Yeah, and you, comparatively, I now go. Oh, something was missing.

Speaker 1 7:01

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 7:02

That's kind of a big deal thing. That's a that's kind of a big deal. I think that part of our intention, part of the the, the, the act of binding, of committing to something right, making a promise or a yeah, just a, striking a pact, even all of those things are critical in spoken form. All of those things are critical in spoken form. I also think, too good grief, just about every rabbi that I've ever met. They chant Because the Torah is not spoken. Is my understanding.

Speaker 1 7:41

It's sung Right.

Speaker 3 7:43

And I think it's because you're not supposed to speak the name of god, I think. I think that's part of the the lore there I think so yeah yeah, but you could. You're not supposed to speak it, but you can sing it.

Speaker 1 7:57

I don't know if it's like a loophole or what but I, I think it is technically, but I don't really know for sure. But yeah, but here's the thing, though. When it comes down to it you're talking about you mentioned it in passing it's intention. Right, we are musical instruments, vocal cords are the strings. Yep. What people don't realize is that when you truly believe something and you speak it, you can feel it.

Speaker 3 8:30

Well, there's that resonance piece. Sure Right, it moves your body Literally.

Speaker 1 8:35

Yes, when I sang in the church, I believed everything that I sing. And every time I sang in the church, sang a solo or had a solo in the choir or whatever, every single time people would come up to me afterwards talking about how it touched them. And these are just examples, right, just to get across to the point my senior high school, senior year in high school, we had a talent show. I don't know if I've told you this story. We had a talent show and I decided that I was going to sing a christian song okay something.

Speaker 1 9:15

It was a public school, you know, and this was I was the only one who did anything related to christianity at all. Interesting, right, so I was. I was kind of the black sheep of the talent show to begin with. So I get up and I sing this song and I'm not really thinking about it and it's called the three nails and it's a beautiful song about the crucifixion and how you know, about this little girl standing there with her daddy asking her questions and the daddy trying to explain to the little girl what's going on. It's a beautiful song and when it was over I got three standing ovations which I did not expect I didn't win, but I got three standing ovations and the biggest bully in the school approached me afterwards, put his finger to my chest and said that's not fair. I said what do you mean? He said you made me cry. So that's my point when you truly believe what you're speaking or whatever you're singing, it's going to come through. And it's called manifesting for a reason.

Speaker 3 10:29

Wow, that's a great story. It it makes me realize to the sheer volumes of of hymnals that exist.

Speaker 1 10:41

Yes.

Speaker 3 10:42

And you know it's funny because we, we think of right. There's only one Bible, but hymnals, but and you know it's funny because we, we think of, right, there's only one Bible but hymnals. But yeah, I mean, and and again, you know, obviously in this country, you know, we're, we're very slanted Christian. So we see a lot of hymnals, but other faiths it exists too.

Speaker 1 11:02

Yes.

Speaker 3 11:02

But I think pagans always maybe feel a little disconnected from that. We don't quite have it. So I have my own thoughts on it and how to, how to achieve. You know that, but, but, but I'd like, I'd like yours first, I'd like your thoughts on how we start to collect our yeah, like the use of music in ritual, and how we start to create our own hymns, in a sense.

Speaker 1 11:33

Well, in a way we kind of have, over the years, there has been an influx of pagan musicians. There is more pagan music out there now than there has ever been Ever been. Yep, back in the 90s I used to be able to find just a handful of artists, yeah, and now they're all over the place.

Speaker 2 11:55

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 11:57

There are songs that have they've been around for a while and they're like little chants, Yep, and they're pretty common. You know people more than one person has recorded their version of these songs right that's like the best starting place because they're so common. It brings that unification into whatever it is we're doing where do you tend to find?

Speaker 1 12:23

them. I have found them in various places, back in the day it was Napster, I know, right, dating myself, but now I mean you can find them on YouTube, you can find them on Spotify, you can find them you know, I mean I went to Amazon.

Speaker 1 12:49

Music and I just typed in Pagan or Spotify. It was somewhere. I went to one of those things and I just typed in Pagan, it pulled up a slew of Pagan music. There's International Pagan Radio. They do spotlights on Pagan musicians. They have a top 10 that they do on a weekly basis. I mean, you can find this stuff anywhere now. It's beautiful.

Speaker 3 13:12

Do you think that the pagan music carries the same weight of some of what we see in other religions, and what I mean by that is right? Does it carry the same ancient origins? I I find a lot of it, is it? It to me some of it smacks us too contemporary, which I'm not a huge fan of. I prefer, know my religious music to have a much older feel.

Speaker 1 13:49

Feel to it yeah.

Speaker 3 13:50

Yeah.

The Power of Music in Rituals

Speaker 1 13:51

I find the stuff that I like to use for ritual and for meditation and things like that I do. I do enjoy having that, that quote unquote, ancient feel to it. I think it lends to that altered state of consciousness. The other stuff is just fun to listen to. You know what I mean. It would be it'd be like the difference of going to church, going to Catholic mass, right, and listening to the chants, as opposed to outside of church. You're listening to the chants, yeah, as opposed to outside of church you're listening to. Oh, I don't know, striper, you see what I mean yeah, I do, I do but it's, it's the difference between the two.

Speaker 1 14:38

yeah, they both do kind of the same thing, they're both lifting up in that religious context, but one is designed for ritual.

Speaker 3 14:51

Right.

Speaker 1 14:52

The other is not necessarily.

Speaker 3 14:54

Yeah, and that's something that I've I mean again, me personally I've always found interesting is that a lot of you know the contemporary pagan music. To me it's. It's meant for listening, for enjoyment, but I don't necessarily see it as something I could easily incorporate into a ritual practice. Now, go ahead, go ahead, because I want to hear into a ritual practice. Now go ahead.

Speaker 1 15:19

Go ahead Because I want to hear your thoughts on this. Well, here's a different viewpoint on that how many times have you been to a concert. Many, many, many Say oh, I don't know. Say Rob Zombie.

Speaker 3 15:31

Sure. Okay, I've only seen him five or six times, I don't know?

Speaker 1 15:35

Okay, but every time people get into a frenzy, don't they? Yes, absolutely. How is that not ritualistic?

Speaker 3 15:44

Oh, for sure which.

Speaker 1 15:46

So it's not to say it can't be done.

Speaker 3 15:49

No, it's not, and that's.

Speaker 1 15:50

It's in a different context.

Speaker 3 15:52

But I have found and I don't know, I don't know if it's like a bardic kind of holdover, I find that a lot of the contemporary pagan material. It's missing the hook, it's missing the repetitive component that makes it something that can build that as a group. So for me, a lot of times when I'm looking for music and song to bring into ritual, I'm actually looking to contemporary artists or mainstream artists, because they do bring some of that and you know, be it a new group or an older one, there's something much more, in a way, simplistic and easy about the beat, the repetition that that familiarity is what brings people in.

Speaker 3 16:55

I I mean, I did a ritual not that long ago. Everybody got a giggle out of it and I mean it was kind of a. It was a fun ritual and it was sweet, caroline, because who doesn't know the words? At the very least, by the time you get to, oh, oh, oh, everybody's on board. And that's sort of what I feel that some of our the music lacks. Right, it's that connection, it's that recognition, it's that thing that allows people to lose themselves in it. I think that that's such an important part of doing those sorts of things. The ritual that we just did for Mabon was kind of the same thing, where we I created a sort of chant component. That was just so simple. Even though we had people in the group who couldn't read it off of a piece of paper, they were easily able to, you know, memorize it and just insert it right along with everyone else where it was, and I think that that's part of what creates that sense of belonging it is

Speaker 3 18:12

ritual, yeah, and it's it's like how do we get, how do we get more of that? How do you know is it? Is it that we need to do clergy, need to take the time to think more about the musical component. You know, I always feel like like it always kind of upsets me a little when there's no music. I'm like, you know it, like it should be there. It's such a part of spirituality that I, yeah, like I, I always, I try, even you know, my, my first degree is whom I'm always like, put some music in it where's the music?

Speaker 1 18:48

yeah I don't know. That's. That's been my goal since I started with life temple was to try to bring more music into this, because I do feel it's an important part. It helps to set the stage, I think, and, like I said, if you find the right thing, it can literally reach out and touch somebody. I mean, how many times have you heard a song from the past and it take you back to a specific memory about something?

Speaker 3 19:16

absolutely so there's a powerful component to music do you think that there's also something to be said about the um, the time of year and the predictability of where the music falls? Right? I, I know for me, catholic mass. Right, it was knowing. Okay, it's christmas time we're gonna hear there's.

Speaker 3 19:41

There's particular music that's associated with it, there are particular songs and hymns that right kind of lend to that. And again sometimes I wonder do pagans? Are we doing enough to bring that to the table? Are we doing enough to create something consistent? I know that's a that's a tough one, cause pagans are always like that word right.

Speaker 1 20:04

No, I don't think we are as a community.

Speaker 3 20:08

Yeah.

Speaker 1 20:09

I think there. I think there's. There's a few songs I've I've been trying to go through my playlists and, as I discover new music, see if it relates to anything. So I've been trying to create like a playlist for Samhain, a playlist for Yule, a playlist for Mabon.

Speaker 3 20:26

Yeah.

Speaker 1 20:27

Just so that I can sort of have those in one place. You know what I mean To see if there's anything that we can do. That's kind of like at Christmas time, you know you're going to hear sleigh bells ring, are you listening? Yes, yes, that's what.

Speaker 2 20:44

I mean.

Speaker 3 20:47

There's something about that when we talk about moving the soul moving the body. And and also I do think that when the lyrics and the the tune itself are that familiar, we are more likely to engage, we are more likely to participate because we're unencumbered by the learning part. We're unencumbered by having to read words, we just know them. Yeah.

Speaker 1 21:23

And it's easier to fall into that space in your head, to where it's just like muscle memory. It's like you start hearing those familiar Christmas carols and it's like you can do it with. Start hearing those familiar Christmas carols and it's like you can do it with your eyes closed. You can do it while you're driving, while you're, you know, writing a letter. It's there, yeah, it's that familiarity, and I think that's an important aspect as well.

Speaker 3 21:48

There's a there's a beautiful story that happened here in Charlotte when we first got, when our soccer team had their inaugural match, the Charlotte FC. A lot of people who have not attended a game, they don't know this, but there's now this really wild tradition and it was born from the fact that at the inaugural game match, whoever was singing the national anthem, there was a mishap about. I want to say 10 seconds into the song. So we're talking quick, right. They maybe got the first two lines of the song out and the pa system cut out wow and there was no getting it back.

Exploring the Power of Music

Speaker 3 22:34

The crowd subbed in love it 75 000 people took over the national anthem for the person who was singing it and then joined along, and so now they have actually made it a tradition at the stadium. The person singing the national anthem only sings the first line by themselves, and then everybody joins in, and it's wild, oh that's beautiful, yeah but that's the sort of thing that I go. How do we achieve that? Because, because, for most of us right, we weren't raised with pagan music.

Speaker 3 23:17

We don't have like there's no, there's no pagan song that we have memorized in that way. So like for us at life temple, you know, we have one song consistently that we use to close ritual. I think Lord men is the one who wrote it, I don't know, no, he's not.

Speaker 1 23:39

Oh wow, mm-mm. No, that's a song that I've heard for years. Oh wow, it was one of the first songs that I discovered. Yeah, and it's super simple to memorize.

Speaker 3 23:51

Are you responsible for us using that?

Speaker 1 23:54

Yes.

Speaker 3 23:56

Lord Oswin, here I am all this time I am shook. Right now I am awed. You have me absolutely flabbergasted. Okay, Lord Min, he was musical, he sung, he played piano um. He occasionally wrote a ditty or two for you. I honest to goodness thought that that was him. You brought that in I brought that in.

Speaker 1 24:31

that's a, that's a Yep, that's a song. Like I said, I discovered that song years ago when I first started discovering pagan music, and it's just. I thought it's like it's a perfect way to close it out.

Speaker 3 24:45

But that's it then. It's that effort, it's making that consistency, because I've seen it. I've seen it time and time again right. Consistency, because I've seen it, I've seen it time and time again right it's such a simple little song and melody that beginners to circle right. What does it take? Maybe twice. Maybe, yeah, if they're, if they're in ritual space with us twice, they get it. They're going to start kind of maybe missing a word or two, but they'll start singing along, and pretty soon.

Speaker 3 25:16

it's very familiar for everyone. That's amazing. We need more. We need more of that. That's so great. Wow, okay, now I feel obligated to go tell everyone that's amazing.

Speaker 1 25:31

We used to and I don't know if you know this or not, but we used to years ago and I'm not sure why we ever stopped. We didn't do it a whole lot, but a few times. We would actually start ritual with the Witch's Rune and everybody would chant the Witch's Rune while the priest and priestess were.

Speaker 1 25:53

Yep, I like that too yeah it's a little more difficult because then you gotta have papers and things like that, but if you do it enough times, people will remember it but even just clapping, stomping, beat, it's so, so critical.

Speaker 3 26:15

and then you know I've always been enamored by. I go back to the whole stomping yes, Beat, I mean it's so, so critical. And then you know I've always been enamored by. I go back to the whole rabbi thing and you know, like the Gregorian chanting and stuff Mm-hmm. Anyone can chant.

Speaker 1 26:26

Yes.

Speaker 3 26:27

Anyone, it doesn't matter. If you can sing, you can chant.

Speaker 1 26:31

Nope, you don't have to be able to sing.

Speaker 3 26:33

No, but just trying it, incorporating it, using it can be extremely powerful and it can move yourself, your working, your ritual in a whole new direction and it's worth experimenting with.

Speaker 1 26:52

Absolutely.

Speaker 3 26:53

I try, I try so hard, especially when we have new initiates, Absolutely ritual, because the more we get them away from the piece of paper and speaking from the heart, yeah the more the more moving and beautiful it is for everyone including them.

Speaker 1 27:25

Once you get past the embarrassing part.

Speaker 3 27:28

That's really it. It's always the nerves and the bit of embarrassment that kind of kind of gets people which makes makes me go. Do we need to go call a rabbinical school and go, hey, how do you guys handle the chanting thing?

Speaker 1 27:39

because everybody's embarrassed, it's I mean you, you could, but yeah, it's a I don't know. It's getting people to do it, and once they do it a few times, yeah, it gets so much easier yeah, yeah, you're right it's like anything else. I mean like when you started circle casting, it was a little awkward, right oh, my goodness, that's the more you the more you did it, the better you got at it.

Speaker 1 28:06

Absolutely, so I mean it's, it's the same thing, it's learning anything new. Yeah, you suck at it in the beginning and then it becomes easier it's true, it's true, but you know we talk.

Speaker 3 28:18

Everyone talks about sound as a for healing and I think about that and I go well, yeah, song, just song, right, it heals. It heals wounds, it heals the mind, it calms you down. I mean, it does so many amazing things without, oddly, without a lot of effort.

Speaker 1 28:45

Right, and sometimes we do it without even thinking about it, yeah, and that's why a lot of people don't they don't think about incorporating it in that way. But you know, think about how many times you've been super upset about something. Yeah, and you hear a song, yeah, or a couple of songs, and then all of a sudden you feel better.

Speaker 3 29:05

I have a playlist that it's just. It's my happy playlist, that's all it is. It's the happy playlist and it is songs that I have long said I dare you. You cannot be sad and hear this. You can't.

Speaker 1 29:20

Okay.

Speaker 3 29:21

Just you know what I mean I love that. Yeah, they're so, and many of them are cute and they're silly and they're, and there's, there is. There's a ton of hand clapping, because I don't know why, but hand clapping makes everybody happy it does, don't it and there's a lot of horns. I found that too okay.

Speaker 3 29:39

People love a good horn section love horns yeah, and it's just so upbeat that, yeah, you, you, and so sometimes you know it's almost subliminal. If I know somebody's having a, really I just throw that on and it does. It turns everything so quickly, whether you realize it or not. So I think I, I just always think, I think music is worth exploring more in any spiritual practice. I think being less mindful maybe of your own musical limitations and being willing to explore more is very important. And am I right in saying there's a difference between, when it comes to singing, there's a difference between being a good singer and being on pitch? Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 30:30

Like, um, yeah, well, again, if, if you're feeling it right, if you feel that in your soul and it comes out it doesn't matter if you're on pitch or not yeah, it's going to. It's going to come out that vibration. You are going to send that vibrational resonance out into the world and it's going to affect people around you.

Speaker 3 30:51

Yeah, it's well and there's something about it that's akin to laughter, right? Yes, some people have really odd, really funny laughs. Yes, still infectious.

Speaker 1 31:02

Yes.

Speaker 3 31:03

So yeah, I mean, we, we can.

Speaker 1 31:04

We can have a not so great voice, but it still can I mean those around us let's put it this way you look at take beyonce sure no great singer, right do I think she's the best? No, because I think she's just singing words. And then you look at somebody like Chris Stapleton.

Speaker 3 31:32

Oh, interesting.

Speaker 1 31:36

That man. It just oozes out of him every time he opens up his mouth.

Speaker 3 31:40

Yeah, Tennessee Whiskey is one of his right.

Speaker 1 31:43

Yeah.

Speaker 3 31:43

Yeah, yeah. So I know exactly what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 31:46

Yeah, so that's kind of what I'm talking about. Some people are just natural at it, and I think he's one of them. It doesn't matter what he sings, it's just going to come out, right.

Speaker 3 32:09

But when you feel it. That's the kind of feeling you get when you hear somebody who feels what's coming out of their mouth, and then, once in a blue moon, you get lucky and you get both. And to me that's Whitney Houston. She did the cover of the Steve Winwood song Higher Love, oh my. God that is beautiful.

Speaker 3 32:26

It's incredible. It is whoo, and I don't know if some of that you know for her. I think it could be attributed to the fact that she grew up in the church. She was a church sam she was yes but hi, yeah, that just emotional power, and just yeah it was yeah she was.

Speaker 1 32:46

She was one of a kind, there's no doubt so yeah, but that's that's kind of what I'm talking about. When you'll know, when somebody, if you're hearing somebody who believes what's coming out of their mouth, yeah, you, you will feel it yeah, you're absolutely right.

Speaker 3 33:04

You are in so many ways, and I think that that really is maybe the the whole point of this episode is is taking the time to really feel the words and to really meditate on them, spend time with meaning and and connect, because that makes that makes all the difference in, in everything that we lend our voice to right yeah, wow. Well, thank you. Thank you for going on this little, little magical musical journey for with me. I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 33:41

You're welcome, I appreciate it. It's you know, I love talking about this stuff, sir.

Speaker 3 33:46

Well, I have long said that you, you, yeah, when, when, when, all things, anything, anything musical in any form comes into question at Life Temple, I'm like, don't talk to me and talk to Lord Oswin, please. That is, that is his domain, that's funny.

Speaker 3 34:05

Oh, and I mean, you know, and part of it is, I think too, you know, I I'm speaking for me, but I'm gonna throw lord knight in here too. We're jealous, we are, I am, I'm downright jealous of what you're able to do musically, vocally, inside of ritual. I mean, I've watched you learn instruments from nothing and I'm like, how the hell, what? Yeah, I think it's great.

Speaker 3 34:37

I've always said my, my, my want, if I could, in an ideal at some point, that we would have a temple like a quartet or you know, a trio of of people who could sing and maybe do a little bit of musical instrument at the same time, and I mean that would be amazing. I'm not going to go so far as to say a pagan choir, but Right, oh, that would be, that would be beautiful.

Speaker 1 34:57

I mean, years ago it was. It was a thought that I had to kind of reach out to the community and see if anybody was willing to start a choir start a choir.

Speaker 3 35:08

Oh, maybe if you're, if you're in and around, uh, the Charlotte, North Carolina area, and you're interested in a pagan group, pagan choir, I think that could be a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 35:19

I think it'd be fun.

Speaker 3 35:20

All right. Well, in the meantime, we'll get more coffee and we'll ponder that.

Speaker 1 35:24

Sounds good. Thanks for listening. Join us next week for another episode. Pagan Coffee Talk is brought to you by Life Temple and Seminary. Please visit us at lifetempleseminaryorg for more information, as well as links to our social media Facebook, discord, twitter, youtube and Reddit.

Speaker 2 35:44

We travel down this trodden path, the maze of stone and mire. Just hold my hand as we pass by a sea of blazing pyres.

Speaker 3 35:58

And so it is the end of our day so walk with me till morning breaks.

Speaker 2 36:05

And so it is the end of our days. So walk with me till morning breaks.