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Pea Soup Optional: Rethinking How We Combat Dark Entities
What truly happens during an exorcism? Does banishing negative energy require elaborate rituals, or could the power of human will be enough? These profound questions spark our exploration into spiritual possession, cleansing practices, and the psychology behind what makes us vulnerable to external influences.
When Christ expelled demons with simple commands rather than complex ceremonies, was he demonstrating something we all possess but rarely acknowledge—supreme authority over our spiritual experience? The contrast between ritualistic approaches and the pure power of self-belief reveals surprising insights about our inherent spiritual capabilities.
The conversation delves into whether "demons" exist as traditionally conceived or reflect something entirely different—perhaps ancient deities reframed by newer religions, or simply concentrated negative energies that feed on our despair and fear. Most compelling is our exploration of how psychological conditioning creates the illusion of powerlessness, mirroring abusive relationships where victims are systematically led to believe they cannot escape. This reframing suggests that even in cases of severe possession, the true barrier isn't supernatural but psychological—we've been tricked into forgetting our own power.
Fear itself undergoes a powerful reinterpretation as we recognize it not as weakness but as heightened awareness—a spiritual alert system designed to protect rather than paralyze. By reconnecting with unwavering self-belief and understanding the nature of our own consciousness, we discover that our most effective spiritual protection has always resided within. Join us for this consciousness-expanding conversation that might forever change how you view the unseen forces in our world.
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Speaker 2:Well, I was thinking about exercising my demons. Why would you do that? Well, I gotta get them to the gym somehow. Oh, you mean exercise? Oh, never mind, not exercise Exercises, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:Bad joke All right. So exorcisms, all right. What do you want to know about exorcisms, or what do you want to talk about, for?
Speaker 2:exorcisms Do you think we believe in them? Do we do them? Do we don't do them?
Speaker 1:I mean, we have some exorcisms in our coven book.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But we've never used them, to my knowledge.
Speaker 2:No, I mean, do you believe it takes a that to exercise something? Does it take a ritual? And I'm thinking, you know the whole entire, young priest, old priest.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:The holy water, yeah water, yeah pea soup, the whole nine yards. Do you think that is required?
Speaker 1:that's hard to say. I mean most of what we see regarding exorcisms. Yes, it takes a whole involved ritual. It takes, you know, a lot of stuff involved, a lot of preparation but yet hold on.
Speaker 2:I'm going to be a little bit mean here, but yet in the bible, christ reached out and command the demons to leave and go into the pigs and the pigs ran off with just a single command no ritual right, and that's kind of where I was going with.
Speaker 1:that is even in the Bible, and I know I've said it before Christ said you too can go and do the things that I have done, right. So if that's the case, then do we really need the ritual? Do we need all that stuff?
Speaker 2:Could we?
Speaker 1:not just go and command and be done with it.
Speaker 2:Let me ask this question Is there a difference between banishing and exorcism?
Speaker 1:I think so.
Speaker 2:Okay, what do you think the difference?
Speaker 1:is. I think the difference is an exorcism is essentially it's killing off whatever is there, it's final, it's final, there's no coming back from an exorcism.
Speaker 2:Okay, no, no, because I want to sit here and say, whatever is there, it's final, it's final, there's no coming back from an exorcism Okay, okay, no, no Cause I want to sit here and say this, so so, so you think an exorcism is like you know the whole supernatural, where they take the knife and stick it in there and the demons already dead. Right, we all know what in the world I've been binge watching lately.
Speaker 1:Yeah, essentially, essentially.
Speaker 2:So you think an exorcism kills off spiritual?
Speaker 1:beings. I think it kills off the energy, all right.
Speaker 2:Cut it off, it's gone. I mean, it's kind of like my concept of legion. Any group of quote-unquote demons is legion.
Speaker 1:Right, it doesn't mean it's the original, but Right Legion in that sense, to me is more of a title, it's more of a, it's like a squad name, if you will.
Speaker 2:I mean, if you want to look at this from demonology and stuff, but most of them demons and blah blah blah in the Bible were actually ancient pagan gods. Yes, absolutely so. Do demons even really exist?
Speaker 1:Again, that depends on your particular religious path.
Speaker 2:Don't get me wrong. I believe there are entities out there that live on death and decay and despair. Sure, I don't know. And all those negative emotions. I mean. They are powerful energies in and of themselves.
Speaker 1:I just don't know if we can call them demons. See, I don't either.
Speaker 2:I think there are dark entities out there, but not.
Speaker 1:I think the name demon has its own set of connotations that don't necessarily apply to entities like you're talking about. I think those would be probably more like I don't know Death Eaters from the Harry Potter series, where it's just it's what they do. They feed off of that.
Speaker 2:Trying to circle back. We were talking about the difference between an exorcism ritual and us basically In a banishment Well, not a banishment, but doing like what we said Christ did, where he just deterred and it seemed to be done through the sure fact of will Right, where it was a command, it was done. Right where the other way is a process.
Speaker 1:You have to go through this ritual or I think, and you said it perfectly, it's will.
Speaker 2:It's will I mean, I'm like you. I believe again, if you have a strong enough will, if there is a quote unquote demon in there, you just tell them to sit down and shut up, they'll obey.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:I don't think they actually have a choice.
Speaker 1:Well, I think it's kind of like, see, I see those more as rebellious spirits, right, right. So, it's kind of right, so it's kind of like. It's kind of like your dog. Yeah, you have to train your dog, so sometimes you have to train your spirits, right you know, and that's where this kind of comes in. So so, yeah, it might be a little bit of a process, but it. But I see it as if your will is strong enough.
Speaker 2:But I make a distinction, personally. I make a distinction between spirits and ghosts, spirits, to me, are beings that have never been human but still live on this plane somehow, where ghosts are beings that were used to be human and died. So again when I sit there and say spirits, this is what I'm talking about. So if a spirit possesses you, your will alone is enough to say leave. Oh, absolutely. What about the possessee? Do they have the will and the power to remove the entity themselves After possession? Okay, remove the entity themselves after.
Speaker 1:After possession if you've allowed yourself to be possessed, then chances are you do not have the willpower to depossess yourself. Argument point we incarnate.
Speaker 2:It is literally the exact same thing just okay the quote-unquote. Other end of the spectral all right, here's. Here's the difference, though and I can eject a god through my will, just as much.
Speaker 1:Here's the difference if you're just willy-nilly going through life and you haven't put up your guards or whatever.
Speaker 2:If you're just allowing anybody to move in with you.
Speaker 1:Right, then no, I don't think you have the willpower to get rid of that, Because you haven't. You don't have the willpower to do your own life the way you should, right.
Speaker 2:I mean because I'm not sitting here.
Speaker 1:I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna. And in the instance of incarnating, that's something different. That's literally saying, okay, I'm allowing you some space, right, but understand, this is my body, I am still in control.
Speaker 2:I can tell you to leave at any time. Yeah, but mustering up that energy when it's going on is a complete In the moment. It's completely different than us sitting here on the podcast talking Well sure it is, it's easy for us to sit there and say the will it does take us. It even takes me a little while to gather up enough will to say, okay, sure, it does.
Speaker 1:You need to leave, but the point is, you can still do it yes, what's the difference between that and a quote-unquote demon possessing you? Again, it's not something that you specifically said. I'm gonna allow you some space here. Come on in what but?
Speaker 2:but that's something you invited. Okay, it's something that you allowed to happen let's go with the big story, all right, the the big story we grew up with was the exorcist. Okay, yeah, technically the girl invited it in by playing with the ouija board according to the storyline. I know the real story was completely different.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But again, my body, my will. I still think the person possessed can expel the person. When you're being taken over by a demon like that. They keep on tricking you into believing that you can't.
Speaker 3:So you won't.
Speaker 1:All right, I can see that, or did he sort of go.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm not even going to pretend like you don't even know what in the world you're.
Speaker 1:So you think it's possible for a possession to happen. Yes speaking of possession as in the Exorcist movie. You think it's possible for that to happen and still be able to?
Speaker 2:expel, expel Because I believe on the inside, the demons keep on tricking you to believe that you don't have the will to do it, that you can't do it.
Speaker 1:Okay, so you think it's in everybody that we do have that will to do it.
Speaker 2:We have. That will. Everybody does, I believe it. 100 okay, but now it's just teaching people that they have the ability to do that.
Speaker 1:Okay. But now what if say, in the case of that movie, or you know the, the story of emily rose, right, right, these were children that right? Do they have that will and?
Speaker 2:even if they do, what if the possession is so strong that that person's personality never comes out? I can see that being happening, but I believe it's after the personality of the individual's been beaten down by the demon. It's an abusive relationship, no matter how, in a word, you look at it, if it's a man beating his wife or beating his kids, it's the demon doing the exact same behavior. Okay, are you with what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:All right, that makes sense.
Speaker 2:That you're instilling a psychological thing there that don't really exist. We're doing the whole entire uh, the elephants being able to be, uh, tied by just simple ropes that they could break, because they were done this by chains. They couldn't break, so they assume they never can, right, so they don't okay I believe that's how, in the world, these possessions get that bad. Is that you?
Speaker 1:But you still think that even if it's a child, they still have that capability.
Speaker 2:Yes, but they have to keep them guessing and keep them thinking that they can't they can't fight back. There's no use in doing it. Why write that note to your congressman? It's not going to do anything.
Speaker 1:True.
Speaker 2:It won't change nothing. But yet not doing it don't change anything either. True, this is the argument I think we're having with this is getting people to understand. You have the ability.
Speaker 2:You have to have the desire of yourself to be better than anything else. And again, how do these possessions start anyway? Normally it starts by kinks in our psychic armor, by things we feel guilty about, and we normally feel that guilt because we allow other people to make us feel like our decisions were bad, when they're not. They were right for us. They might not be right for you, but they're right for us.
Speaker 1:What is it? There's nothing so bad that a little guilt can't make it better. Well, can't make it worse, right?
Speaker 2:There's nothing so good that a little bit of guilt can't make it bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's the logic here.
Speaker 1:Okay, make it bad yeah yeah, there's the logic here.
Speaker 2:Okay, and I believe this happens in possession. If we have strong individuals that are that are very sure of themselves as individuals, I I'm sure what I believe, what in the world I, what's good for me, overrides whatever the hell's going out there in the world I mean yeah, I can see that because I can see this to where, biologically, we do the same thing. We always strive biologically to eat the right foods, to eat what we need, to listen to our bodies, what are we craving? What?
Speaker 3:are we not?
Speaker 2:craving? Why do we stop there and not continue on into the spiritual what? What do I need to hear? What am I craving? Right To become stronger. Instead, we see ourselves as weak, frail. Don't get me wrong. There are certain sects of the population. Oh, you can't do nothing unless God tells you you couldn't figure this out unless the aliens didn't tell you. Right, Humans are not smart enough to figure out how to damn stack two rocks on top of each other without something greater, telling us Right At what point are we going to believe in ourselves that we can do these things?
Speaker 2:We can move, we can create, we are creative beings.
Speaker 1:We can create, we are creative beings. Well, and I mean I keep going back to biblical references God, even Jesus.
Speaker 2:Look, I don't even go that far. I go as far as Mama Cass Sing your own song.
Speaker 1:Well that, Even if nobody else wants to listen. Well that, but I mean I go back to little sayings that you know that actually meant a lot to me growing up and even after I left the church. Yeah, jesus said if you have the faith the size of a mustard seed, anybody ever see a mustard seed. If you haven't go see one, trust me. If you have the faith of the size of a mustard seed, you can move a mountain.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:That right there should tell you you're capable of anything.
Speaker 2:The human will is an unstoppable force yes. That we do not wield this quite the way we're supposed to all the time. No, we don't.
Speaker 1:We don't.
Speaker 2:All right, I see so many people sit there and we'll sit there and watch one youtube video and then, the very next, watch another youtube video that says the complete opposite, but yet agree with both of them during the timeline the world of playing. Yep, what the hell what the hell I mean. And again, this is the mindset. This is the mindset that allows these things to take over for us.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Are you with me? We're in the world we can agree with anything, but yet we don't know what in the world.
Speaker 1:We believe Yep and I think that becomes the root. That's the open window, that's the open door.
Speaker 2:Yes, it becomes a door or a window into doubt. Yes, and doubt is the opposite of self-willed.
Speaker 1:Right. If you don't believe in yourself and you don't have that confidence, you don't have that self-assurance.
Speaker 2:And let me make sure I say this now there is a difference between arrogance and confidence Absolutely Confidence to say, hey, I'm going to. There is a difference between arrogance and confidence Absolutely Confidence to say, hey, I'm going to go in there and do the best I can. I might fail Well. I think, when arrogance is. I'm going to do it perfectly, to start off with.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think confidence is not necessarily saying something like I might fail. I think it's the understanding. That's the understanding that we do have limitations, but it's the confidence to say that I'm going to go in there and I'm going to do this.
Speaker 2:It's that argument of we don't do things because we don't fear. We do things because we do fear.
Speaker 1:We just saw something. Is fear misunderstood?
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, fear is misunderstood, god yes, it is Fear keeps us alive.
Speaker 1:People understand fear is not weakness.
Speaker 2:No, it's an awareness.
Speaker 1:It's an awareness, it's a strength.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Use it as such.
Speaker 2:If you are scared, you should be hyper aware right now and watch your surroundings even more. Absolutely, that's what in the world that feeling is telling you. You need to be on higher alert, right, because we want to be safe. Yeah, and again this comes down to our wheel. What in the world will you put up with? Will you roll over when they come to your door and say hey, hand over these things, or are you going to sit there and go? No, it's mine.
Speaker 1:Right. Are you going to be the doormat? Are you going to be the door? Are you going to be the door? Think about that one.
Speaker 2:I'm ready for some coffee, all right.
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