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Altar Basics: Setup, Tools, Cleansing, Maintenance
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In this episode of Pagan Coffee Talk, we take a grounded, no‑nonsense look at one of the most debated topics in modern Pagan practice: altars. What’s the difference between a working altar and a shrine? Do you really need specific tools? How do you build an altar when you’re on a budget, living with roommates, or working with limited space? We break down the essentials—salt, water, candles, and intention—and talk honestly about what’s optional, what’s tradition‑specific, and what’s simply personal preference.
We also explore thrifted and secondhand altar tools, how to cleanse and dedicate items, and why older objects can carry a sense of history and connection. From butter‑knife athames to Goodwill chalices, we emphasize practicality over perfection. The conversation also covers altar maintenance, including physical cleaning, energetic resetting, and how to treat the altar itself as a ritual tool. Whether you’re brand new to the craft or refining a long‑term practice, this episode offers clear, tradition‑informed guidance for creating an altar that works for your life, your space, and your path.
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Welcome to Pagan Coffee Talk. If you enjoy our content, please consider donating and following our socials. All right, so here's here's a topic that we that I found interesting.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 4:Um, there's a lot of talk about altars. Okay. Is there such a thing as a perfect altar?
Speaker 1:No. I mean, there are there there are altars I like and there's altars I don't like.
Speaker 4:I th well see.
Speaker 1:But I don't know if there's a perfect altar.
Speaker 4:I think that's an individual preference.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, we've already talked about I really do not like the altars that are like the two feet tall.
Speaker 4:Yeah. Yeah. Altar. Well, I only like those if they're going to be on a tabletop, but even then I just don't know because they're awful small. How are you going to store anything in it? I mean, I know they call it a travel altar, but where are you still going to put your stuff?
Speaker 1:I mean, it's it's there. You have your altar, and I mean, and you have your stuff sitting on there, but I think, well, first of all, I think there's a problem here because there's a in my mind, there's a difference between an altar and quote unquote a shrine. Well, yeah. All right. So it really depends on what you're talking about. Are you talking about what we would call a shrine where you have it's built up to a specific deity that you always just keep stuff on there? Or is this a working altar like what we're talking about, where there's candles and it's in the center of ritual space?
Speaker 4:Right. There's it's it's actually a working space.
Speaker 1:Working up right, where we're doing stuff on and setting things on and doing ritual from, and right. So there's a little bit difference there.
Speaker 4:Right. Think of a shrine as um, well, like you said, it's it's dedicated to something in particular. So it could be it could be a deity, could be your ancestors, you know. Right. But it's it's dedicated for a specific.
Speaker 1:But again, and and I think where some people get confused on this is you go out online and you hear people going, Well, I'm gonna show you my altar tour tour and show you all this stuff I have on there. And the majority of the times I see those, those to me are more shrines than they are working altars.
Speaker 4:Right. Why? Because there's so much stuff on them. I don't know how you're how you're gonna work at that. Nothing wrong with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's again, we're not trashing them or anything like that. I'm just saying to me, these are just two different things. All right. So I don't want anybody to get confused here. An altar to us, like our altar, generally speaking, um, we have a candle for the god, a candle for the goddess. We got a um, we have our incense burner, our thermal. Um, we got our chalice up there and our cakes. There's an offering bowl or lactation bowl. There's a bowl of salt, and there's a bowl of water on the altar, and maybe some oil or anointing. Yeah. You know, and then we do that when you're coming in, so it it sort of sits off onto the side. I'm trying to think what else we keep on the altar, generally speaking, as far as tools go. I mean, there's normally like a snuffer or something for candles. Right. But that's that's it. Oh, there's the pentacle, excuse me. There's the pentacle that sits on the altar. Right. Now, the one for temple, the pentacles carved into the altar itself.
Speaker 4:So well, we were fortunate enough to to know someone who does some woodworking.
unknown:Right.
Speaker 4:And we were able to do that. So, yes, it was it was very nice of them to do that.
Speaker 1:It was it's very nice. The tool and the altar are now merged together. So um, but I mean that's it. That's all we keep there. That's you know, besides occasionally, you know, the high priest or the priestess maybe sitting their athem up there because, well, they need to move on faster than they can get it back in the sheet. Right. But I I I don't see us keep too much of anything else on that altar.
Speaker 4:I mean, papers, if we're, you know, reading anything for ritual. But other than that, no, not really. No.
Speaker 1:No, I mean, there's not all this stuff that you see on these, again, like I said, these altar tours or these people showing off their altar uh uh, you know, on Reddit and all these other places. So I'm sort of a little confused sometimes when the world the general populace here talks about altars.
Speaker 4:Well, and you know, and that's a good point. You've you you went over what we normally have on ours.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Are any of those just for people who may not be familiar with what altars are for? Are there anything that you consider essential to be on the altar versus optional?
Speaker 1:Well I hate to be this way. Everything's optional.
Speaker 4:See, I think so too. I mean, if you don't have it, you don't have it.
Speaker 1:Right. I mean, we're we're told, okay, if you don't have your atom, hey, you can use your index fingers. You know, no, if you don't have the correct candles, any candle would do. Sure. If you don't even have that, don't worry about it at all. Right. Right. Uh, because again, the act of doing a ritual is more important than what you have and what you don't have.
Speaker 4:Absolutely. So don't ever worry about, you know, well, I gotta have this for my altar, right? And I can't do anything if I don't have this. That's not the case.
Speaker 1:No. The most basic thing I'm gonna sit there and tell anybody that they might need to have on their altar is salt and water. All right. And I can't even say incense because again, you can buy thick incense, you can buy combed incense. Sure, you can. We're not talking about you having to go out and buy a therable and get the charcoals and mix up your own. No. And and and and no, I I'm not gonna sit there and say, hey, go to Dollar General and get your incense there if that's what in the world you can afford. Right. Don't let anybody say, no, you shouldn't use that. There's what you can afford and what you can do, and it gets you moving, go for it.
Speaker 4:Right. Absolutely. You know, then and well, and that brings us to, you know, thrifted items and things that you find and versus, you know, homemade tools and whatever else. All these are great.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's I mean, Goodwill is a wonderful place to go look for altar items that you need.
Speaker 4:Right, goodwill candlesticks, goodwill salvation army, any any thrift shop, consignment stores. Yard sales. Yes, absolutely.
Speaker 1:I all right. I mean, what yard shell don't you go to when you can't find at least one bell? Right. One cup, uh, uh a plate, or any so again, this is how this is how it's done. Well, no, to some extent. We we we we do what we can, and again, don't get me wrong, even in our evolution of temple, we didn't start off with a specific altar. We didn't start off with we had to build that up over time. Right. You know, some of the stuff, yeah, it took time to make or put together or whatever as we've went along, but doing what you have to to start off with is more important than just if you're waiting to have the right tools, you're gonna be waiting forever.
Speaker 4:Right. And since we're talking about, you know, goodwill and secondhand stuff, you probably want to cleanse it before you use it.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah, it's it's not that bad of a thing, all right?
Speaker 4:No. Well, and the and I mean the same goes for anything new that you might have. It's always a good idea to cleanse your cleanse your items and dedicate purposes.
Speaker 1:Any tools that go into ritual space should be cleansed and blessed. All right. And we're not talking about that hard of a process. The majority of the times, the majority of what we're talking about is to take them to an altar or a spot and introduce them to all the four elements. Right. You sprinkle it down with a little bit of salt, you sprinkle it down with a little bit of water, you run it through the smoke, you light a candle, you you you let the flame lick the side of it. Don't set it on fire, but you don't set it on fire. I mean, no matter what it is. I mean, and that's it.
Speaker 4:Right. It's not a complicated process.
Speaker 1:Right. And most people, like toward the ends, will do the earth-invoking pentagram.
Speaker 4:You know, you can make you Star Hawk. You can make it as, you know, freely as you want. You can say a little chant while you're doing all that. You can you don't have to. It's really a simple process.
Speaker 1:It it really is. This is we're not talking about anything overcomplicated here. All right. Now, don't get me wrong. Do like our tradition and certain traditions, we're doing a very general thing, but yes, we have more specific things inside traditions. I don't want to get anybody completely confused. Right. But those are traditional things. This is not just a general cleansing that we do. Right. All right, so that's a different situation there, as far as I'm concerned, that temples do sometimes do things a little different when it comes to Right.
Speaker 4:But if you're part of a group or if you're considering being a part of a group, just understand they're they're gonna teach you that process, you know. Yes. And and that's fine.
Speaker 1:And that's fine. So don't confuse what we just talked about with what traditionalists do inside temple.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 1:For your I don't know how else to explain that.
Speaker 4:It's it's for your home use, keep it simple.
Speaker 1:Right. Again, KISS method works great. Keep it simple, stupid.
Speaker 4:Right. Are there and let me ask you a question, is um speaking of thrifted items, are there any times when thrifted items, secondhand, whatever, are not a good idea?
Speaker 1:Not a good idea. I really can't think of anything off the top of the head other than does it actually still work?
Speaker 4:That's the only thing I could come up with. That's the reason why I was asking.
Speaker 1:I was like, I I mean, and if you're buying a secondhand anthem and it keeps falling apart, there's a problem.
Speaker 4:Yeah, there's a problem.
Speaker 1:And it's a danger, you know, and it's a danger. Uh, you know, if you buy a candlestick and every time you put a candle in it, it all falls over. This might these would be the only way I would see there being a problem buying secondhand. But no, but I think I think that would go with anything.
Speaker 4:I was gonna say nothing like in no no ethical considerations or anything like that. It's just I mean, it's it's secondhand stuff.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah. I sort of like the older stuff because it gives me a sense that we are reaching farther back in time.
Speaker 4:Right. It's um are you with yeah, it it it's it's like a connection to um ancestors, if you will.
Speaker 1:Right. To some extent.
Speaker 4:Yeah, to some extent.
Speaker 1:You know, okay, maybe not my ancestors, but somebody's ancestors, somebody again. This has been around for a while. It's seen a few things. That's sort of why I like the secondhand store thing, because again, it comes with a story. Most of us might not know the story, but but it does come with a story. I mean, but and again, hey, you well, you get more of a feel of this if you're actually going to the antique stores. Yes. Because them people, they have the stories where in the world they found this and what in the world it was where it came from.
Speaker 4:Just understand you go to an antique store, you're gonna pay a little bit more because it's gonna pay a little bit more. It's got that antique title to it. So yeah. Just saying.
Speaker 1:Just saying. You know, but but again, that that's sort of what I like about them. So again, no, I I don't the only time I would tell you to worry about secondhand thing, again, it if it's a danger, or you know, if you happen to run across any of that glass that happens to be radioactive.
Speaker 4:Right. Might want to reconsider. Or just be aware. Just be aware of the risks. It's okay.
Speaker 1:Just saying.
Speaker 4:What about um what about people who like have roommates or kids or limited space? Are there um any suggestions that you can give for like discrete or quote-unquote hidden altars?
Speaker 1:Well, uh, I don't want to say hidden, but again, this is back to most people aren't as observant as you think they are. No, they're not. And and and again, you setting up your altar on top of your dresser or on top of a chest or drawers or something like that. I really don't think most people are gonna pay it much attention.
Speaker 4:No, I mean, for crying out loud, for years, uh, the altar in our house was our our place mantle.
Speaker 1:I mean, I mean, that's just where I kept all the stuff, I mean, to some extent, but you know, yeah.
Speaker 4:It was still considered a working space. You could still do some work from it. Not not a lot, but you could.
Speaker 1:Not a lot, but you could, you know, and and again, don't get me wrong. I mean, there is a difference when you're leaving an altar out with the pentagram on it and the whole nine yards, and it looks like an altar, and everybody's going, oh crap. Right. You know, yeah, and and that's a little bit different.
Speaker 4:Well, I'm and I mean it just goes to show you that you know, everyday objects, candlesticks, just regular candlesticks, they don't have to be quote unquote witchy or anything like that. Just a regular candlestick can double as an altar tool.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 4:You know, I mean, that's what we used. Yeah. We used what we had. We had candlesticks, uh, okay, these will work.
Speaker 1:I mean, we're we're still that's we're still doing that. We're just using whatever candlesticks we got on hand at stuff.
Speaker 4:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:I mean, it wasn't like we went out on this great search going, oh no, we have to buy this one specific candle.
Speaker 4:Or this one we have these candlesticks that we've had for decades, and guess what? They still work.
Speaker 1:They still work. They don't fall over, you're just easy to put candles in and keep on working. Right. I'm not I'm not sitting there worrying, okay, is that candle gonna fall over and set the you know, the the cloth, the altar cloth on fire? Or I mean I I can see, don't get me wrong, I I know we're sitting here and we're kind of joking about this, but I can see where people get wrapped up in that. Oh yeah. I can see where people get wrapped up to where in the world, oh no, I have to have this specific knife, I have to have this specific thing. All right, and and and I'm not gonna sit here and blow smoke up anybody's some temples do require that. Yeah. Well some temples go, okay, here's the here's the anthem you're gonna use, and here's where you buy it from. But that's sort of part of being a part of the temple, not your everyday Right.
Speaker 4:I mean, if you're just if if this is for your home, you know, it doesn't have to be anything specific.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 4:And again, if you're if you're waiting for, you know, the perfect items, you're gonna be waiting.
unknown:Forever.
Speaker 4:Start with what you have or what you can get access to.
Speaker 1:Yes. You know, I again, if the only anthem you can get is a butter knife, go for it.
Speaker 4:Mm-hmm. I mean, it works.
Speaker 1:You know, I I hate to be this way. Do you know how many people I know actually whose Athem is actually technically a letter opener and not an actual knife? Oh yeah. I know quite a few people that's done that because, well, they're smaller, they're easier to use, it fits in their hand better.
Speaker 4:Well, and for years, I had I had a wooden letter opener that my grandma had. It was the perfect size.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:So hmm.
Speaker 1:What do you want me to say on that? I mean, I mean, I just I just don't want people to get the wrong idea. I mean, yes, when you go into a tradition, they're going to be a little bit more upfront about some of this stuff when you're starting to train and go through all that about what you need to do and how it needs to go about. And the and there's normally reasons why we use this one at them versus that atom, or we use this robe over that robe. And that's normally connected to the tradition of that specific temple. Right. And it has nothing to do with anything else.
Speaker 4:Nope. Nope. And it's not anything you have to do at your, you know, at your own home or anything like that. Just it's particular to that tradition.
Speaker 1:Right. But like I said, I can see where people start to think that they're if if they see these.
Speaker 4:Well, I mean, are they nice? Yes. It's nice to have the you know the look and the feel of certain items. It can help put you in a particular state of mind once they're you know used on a regular basis. It's nice. Is it necessary? No.
Speaker 1:No. Well, I mean, it's like certain certain traditions that we know of, there's like certain pendants that you receive when you get a first degree. Yes. Some places is it's other things where it is an item that everyone else carries or has on them and it looks like everybody else's. And the majority of the temples do that is sort of to denounce who's who's part of whose group.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 1:To some extent.
Speaker 4:And typically one of the things for that's all it's for.
Speaker 1:I mean, again, like Ravenwood has a specific specific type of necklace or pendant that they always wear. I can spot one of these guys at a gather in like two seconds flat.
Speaker 4:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Because I'm used to seeing that symbol going, oh, you're part of so like I said, there may be reasons and stuff like that for this temple to do that, and that's part of their tradition, but it's not something you have to do. Right. If you're not part, again, if you're part of that tradition, you're going through that, that's a little bit different. But just you out on your own, no. Absolutely. Especially if you start, and especially if you're sitting there going, well, you know, I'm just going to start my own tradition. Well, then that's up to you entirely. Then that's really up to you if you want to do that or if you don't want to do that. Right. The majority of the times it really that those decisions are made as you start to grow your coven and grow your tradition, and you get bring in more people and you start getting those that I I can't afford that. I can't know. I I'd rather use I mean, because for some reason in our temple, we seem to have a lot of people that want to for their atoms, and I'm not shaming anybody, but they like using those uh army knives over everything else. Yep. Which is fine, they're great knives. But the great knives, they're fine, and I'm not stopping them. Mm-mm. Hmm. Go figure. I mean, because in our in our tradition, it's not that what type of atom you have is not that as important as just having one.
Speaker 3:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1:Yep, that's the important thing. So again, I'm back to hey, if you got to use a butter knife, use a butter knife.
Speaker 4:That's just use what you got till you can get something else. I will say it. Yep. Well, it's you know, we've been talking about altars and what goes on them and everything. How do let's talk about how to maintain your altar?
Speaker 1:Well, maintaining your altar is just like maintaining any other piece of furniture in your house. It really is. You gotta dust it off every once in a while. You gotta dust it to clean it up. You gotta you gotta clean it up. All right. You're gonna get wax on it. You're gonna might as well go ahead and start learning how to remove wax. Do a quick search out on the net. There's 50,000 different ways. Right. All right. Yeah, you're gonna have to learn how to get wine off wine stains. Yep. Wine stains. Just like majority of the stuff that we do in craft, you know, we're always going to suggest that you use natural materials. So wood, stone. All right. You know, I'm not gonna sit there and fault someone. If all I can get is this plastic chair or this plastic table for an altar right now, then do that. Right. Now, on the other hand. And the gold should be, okay, but I need to find something more natural.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 1:You know, but again, an altar can be as simple as a few, you know, cement blocks and a piece of wood. Yep, really can. I mean, I'm I'm not shaming anybody for that, you know. You know, I wouldn't even shame the redneck who has, you know, the the the the tailgate as their altar. I would be more like going, well, in our tradition, that we'd be more like the the metal. So much metal. So much metal. You know, that would be the only place we would we would have a problem, but again, that's our tradition. I'm not gonna stop somebody.
Speaker 4:Right. So you got the so no, so you got the physical cleanup, you've also got energetic cleanup. Every once in a while you need to need to basically reset your altar.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, I mean, you need well your altar is a tool. Well, your altar's a tool just like any other one, and it needs to be blessed and cleansed before being in ritual space. Yes. All right, just like any other tool. So yeah, there's a blessing ritual for your uh athol. I mean, for your uh altar. It is it is a the altar itself is considered a tool. It is a tool, yes. All right, now for us, and I know some people will argue enough for us, altars represent the female, the center, but by representing as above, so below. All right. They also represent the fifth element, which is spirit, yes, which is nothing more than a combination of all the four of the elements in balance with one another. So again, it is a tool. It does represent something. Yep. So yes, we it needs to be cleansed.
Speaker 3:Yep.
Speaker 1:All right. Now, which would you say? Round, square, triangle? Personal preference. Do you think the shape has anything to do with this?
Speaker 4:I personally don't. Um I happen to like round. But I don't think it really matters.
Speaker 1:I don't think it really matters, but my personal preference is I sort of like square or rectangle first. I can see that. You know, well, a circular one may be to the participants there, maybe make them feel more part of that that part of the circle.
Speaker 4:That that I think that's why I gravitate towards the circular.
Speaker 1:It makes you feel more part of it, where the square might make you feel a little bit more separated.
Speaker 4:Well, and it it's the pointed edges, too.
Speaker 1:So I I can understand it, but again, personal preference there.
Speaker 4:Yeah. Well, and and even even with the square rectangle, you could, if it's if you're using wood, you could easily round off your edges.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Um, I mean still have the sharp corners, but um right.
Speaker 1:I mean, our altar is sort of like that. A temple, the edges are a little bit rounded. Yeah. But I mean, come on, square, rectangle. I it really doesn't matter. Really is up to you. Personal preference, yeah. All right. I'm trying to think of how to put this. It's just with the round and trying to put that compass on there, you you sort of never really have a north side or a south side of your altar, but uh to some extent.
Speaker 4:I mean Well, I think you do. I just see that's where I differ. I just I think it's easier because it doesn't matter. Just you you put your compass down and you don't have to worry about rotating the table.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying, this is a little uh I feel like with the round table, yes, you you will always be kind of like, well, which side does what go on and this and that? Because there's not really a side one side versus another with a circle versus no, I get it. Like a square. You know, I guess it's just a head thing for me more than it is anything else.
Speaker 4:Yeah. I totally get that. It's and that's fine again, personal preference.
Speaker 1:I can work at anything, so well, again, we have had a round one, and I have been in a circle with a square one. I have never been in one where there was a triangle one.
Speaker 4:No, I haven't either. I think it would be a bit awkward.
Speaker 1:I I think it would be too, but part of me is also said big one, hmm.
Speaker 4:I'd like to see somebody try it.
Speaker 1:I'd like to see somebody try this. Truly would see how it actually works, what the feel would be, you know, just saying back to sacred shapes and all that. So let's just add in some second geometry and just but I mean we're to we're talking about this. So so there's also a case that says basically there could be up to five altars in one circle.
Speaker 4:Sure, yeah.
Speaker 1:All right. I mean, this is how complicated we can make this if we really wanted to. You have your central altar at the center, and then you have an altar at each quarter. And that's where in the world you would set your salt, your water, your fire candle, and you know, your uh incense burner. And not actually on the altar, which means that that main altar could be just a little bit smaller if you need to.
Speaker 4:Which theoretically, if you're doing that, I think the the triangle might actually work for the center altar.
Speaker 1:Maybe.
Speaker 4:Because you don't add any extra stuff on it.
Speaker 1:You don't. No, but you normally do have people standing at the other four altars along the perimeter, kind of guarding them. Oh, yeah, and maintaining them as it is.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But again, it makes things a whole lot more complicated and it's a little bit more theatrical. It is when we do those types of things. They're they're fun and they're neat, but uh on a daily basis is not something I I we ever do.
Speaker 4:No. Well, no, not on a regular basis.
Speaker 1:No, maybe for a Sabbath or something, but that's it gets a little bit complicated when you bring in the five altars, I mean.
Speaker 4:Yeah. Well, I mean, and unless unless you have a setup, you know, you have an area dedicated that you can just kind of leave all that stuff together.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's gonna be a little complicated to set it up, tear it down, set it up, tear it down.
Speaker 1:Tear it down. I mean, because you're you again, you're messing with five altars instead of just one. So you know, um, but I will give that case. There are some traditions that do that.
Speaker 4:Absolutely. Anything else? Um, no, just uh just remember, start small, start with what you've got. And just remember that it can it really can be simple. It doesn't have to be elaborate, it doesn't have to be, you know, it isn't even party.
Speaker 1:No, it's really don't. It really don't.
Speaker 4:All right, it can look banged up and but it's it can be some shabby table that you picked up at, you know, a yard sale or a thrift store.
Speaker 1:Or even off the side of the road.
Speaker 4:I just you know that you haven't had a chance or don't know what to do with. If it's 30, use it.
Speaker 1:Use it. I'd I'd I would suggest, you know, for the type of altar we're talking about, keep it waist, make sure you find one that's at least waist high.
Speaker 4:That's uh that's a suggestion based on experience. Saying because it's easier to work at.
Speaker 1:All right. When you're when you're when you have older people there, you're getting older, kneeling down to a two-foot altar is really hard sometimes, especially the whole get back up.
Speaker 4:I was gonna say getting out of the floor can be a bitch for some people.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes. Words of experience, words of experience.
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Speaker:We travel down this trodden path, the maze of stone and mire. Just hold my hand as we pass by a steel blazing fires. And so it is the end of our days, so walk with me till morning break. And so it is the end of our days, so walk with me till morning.
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