Common Fears in Witchcraft

This episode tackles the three biggest fears new witches face: messing up, offending deities, and not feeling “witchy enough.” Through practical examples and decades of experience, we break down why mistakes are a natural part of magical growth, how intention matters more than perfect correspondences, and why deities are far less fragile than social media makes them seem. We emphasize journaling, tracking results, and treating errors as data—not failures—to build confidence and skill over time.

The conversation also challenges the pressure to look or act a certain way in order to “qualify” as a witch. From unrealistic social media aesthetics to assumptions about tools, talents, and offerings, we remind listeners that witchcraft is a learned practice, not a performance. Wisdom, consistency, and genuine connection matter far more than crystals, candles, or curated altars. The message is simple: start where you are, use what you have, and let your practice grow naturally.

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Chapters

• 0:17 Welcome And Support Reminder
• 0:25 Social Media Anxiety And Overwhelm
• 1:14 Three Common Fears Named
• 2:21 Spells As Odds And Effort
• 4:15 Mistakes As Data And Journals
• 8:17 Tracking Results Over Time
• 8:56 Everyone Messes Up, It’s Normal
• 10:40 Fear Of Offending Deities
• 11:55 Intent Over Perfect Offerings
• 13:30 Correspondences Are Helpful Not Required
• 15:58 Social Media Paranoia And Research
• 18:23 Many Paths Not One True Way
• 19:25 Elemental Work And Personal Fit
• 22:59 Skill Building Through Trial And Error
• 24:34 “Witchy Enough” And The Aesthetic Trap
• 27:28 Covens, Roles, And Realistic Skills
• 30:00 Basics To Learn Versus Mastery

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:17

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SPEAKER_02 0:25

So amongst all the social media stuff, right, I see a lot of new folks coming in, and there seems to be a lot of anxiety going on towards practicing. Okay. A lot of it comes from feeling insecure. You know, social media saying, well, this is the way it's gotta be done, or you need to do this, or you need to do that. It's a lot of information, it's a lot of feelings of being overwhelmed. And so I think because of this, there seems to be a bit of anxiety for some people when it comes to starting your magical or spiritual or both practice.

SPEAKER_05 1:13

Okay.

Three Common Fears Named

SPEAKER_02 1:14

Right. So I think I think we've got three of the most common fears that I've that I've seen are the fear of messing up.

SPEAKER_05 1:24

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_02 1:25

The fear of offending your spirits or your deities or whoever it is you're working with. And the fear of not being quote unquote, you're gonna love this witchy enough. Where do you want to start?

SPEAKER_05 1:42

Let's start at the beginning. Let's let's let's just start at the beginning, all right?

SPEAKER_02 1:49

Okay. So you and I have been in this for a while for for many years.

SPEAKER_05 1:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:55

And because of that, we're a little more comfortable in what we do and how we do it.

SPEAKER_05 1:59

Yeah. I've cast a few spells in my life.

SPEAKER_02 2:03

I'm I'm not gonna we've made some we've made our fair share of mistakes doing it too.

Spells As Odds And Effort

SPEAKER_05 2:08

Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, I don't want to specifically some some went some were very fruitful, others were not so fruitful, and you just keep on moving. So this drives me up the wall about getting it wrong. Okay. Now again, yeah, we got the witches' pyramid, and if you learn that, you know, how to wheel, how to dare, um you know, how to keep secret and all that. This this helps you motivate you to do the spell correctly.

SPEAKER_02 2:46

It helps you, but it's not it's not a guarantee.

SPEAKER_05 2:51

No, it's there's there are no guarantees. What most what I think most people get messed up, especially with spells and if they work or if they don't, and we've talked about this before, it is a manipulation of the odds.

SPEAKER_02 3:05

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 3:06

All right, it just makes it more likely that something will happen. It doesn't guarantee it. No. And hence the reason why in the world we sit there and go, you gotta put a little bit of work behind it yourself. Me going out and blessing my garden or trying to cast a spell for the garden to grow, and me sitting in on my ass all day is not gonna help my garden grow.

SPEAKER_02 3:29

No.

SPEAKER_05 3:32

Going out and tending to it, watering it and giving it what it needs, it's gonna grow.

SPEAKER_02 3:38

Right. Well, again, well, and even even then, you know, if if you're relating it to a garden or or you know, writing a book or anything else in your daily life, you just have to understand there's gonna be times when you're gonna mess up.

SPEAKER_05 3:56

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 3:56

But treat the messing up as a as a learning experience.

SPEAKER_05 4:03

Don't get bogged down, people get bogged down too much on their mistakes. Yes, they focus too much on trying to instead of trying to figure out what caused the mistake.

SPEAKER_02 4:14

Right.

SPEAKER_05 4:15

I I don't know how else to say that.

SPEAKER_02 4:17

Right, and that's that's the important thing. That's that's where we've constantly said journals, keep your journals, keep your magic journals, your dream journals, whatever. Write it down. Go back, look at it, re-examine it, see if some, you know, oh well, this didn't seem right, so I'm gonna change this this time.

SPEAKER_05 4:39

Right. And and you may even have to break it up. You might have to sit there and go, okay, I I I cast this XYZ spell. All right. Here's what happened a week after. Here's what happened a month after. Yes. Here's what happened three months later. Sometimes those notes, it's not just, hey, I'm gonna cast a spell and I'm gonna wait six months, then make one entry.

SPEAKER_02 5:04

No, no, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 5:06

You need to kind of track it at certain intervals.

SPEAKER_02 5:10

Yeah, keep regular notes and just learn from it. Don't be afraid of it.

SPEAKER_05 5:15

No. Yes. Are you going to mess up? Yes. Yes. There's the answer. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 5:24

Yes, that's a given.

SPEAKER_05 5:24

Are you going to mess up?

SPEAKER_02 5:25

That's a given.

SPEAKER_05 5:26

That is a given.

SPEAKER_02 5:27

It's it's kind of I relate it to when we used to clean houses. And I went, we went into um a guy's house, and he had a lot of not necessarily antiques, but he had a lot of precious things that meant a lot to him. Family hand-me-downs, heirlooms, things like that. And I was scared to death of breaking something. And you flat out told me, if you're afraid of it, it's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_05 5:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 5:58

And it did. And when it did, I freaked out. And the guy tried to make a joke about it and told me it was an antique, and then I freaked out even more. Don't be afraid of it. Just understand it.

SPEAKER_05 6:10

Don't be afraid of it.

SPEAKER_02 6:12

Just accept it. It's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_05 6:14

You're not a bad person. All right. You're not a bad witch, you're not a bad priest, just in case a spell fails.

SPEAKER_02 6:22

No. A spell does not a witch make.

SPEAKER_05 6:26

That is not the judgment line here, all right? No. All right. This is where in the world we can all look at each other. No, no, I I trust me, that spell blew up in my face.

SPEAKER_02 6:40

Right? It blew up like a bunch of sulfur. It'll be okay.

SPEAKER_05 6:44

I mean, we we even joke about it. Me and you, and even the lady, we joke about this. All right. I mean, we're like, we'll give you your first degree, and normally, roughly, you get your first degree, and six months to a year later, at some point or another, somewhere around there, we'll get a first degree. I just did this fail. And here's what hey, look, you've had a year's worth of training or more, and yet it's still guess what?

SPEAKER_02 7:18

It happens.

SPEAKER_05 7:19

It happens, it happens to everyone. All right. I I would be more concerned about the person that uh swears if I done it, it's never happened to them.

SPEAKER_02 7:28

Right.

SPEAKER_05 7:29

That's the person I'd fly faster.

SPEAKER_02 7:32

Right. Oh no. Oh, my spells work perfectly every time. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_04 7:37

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 7:39

Yeah. So just rem just remember if you're if you're doing the magic side of things, magic is a skill. It's acquired. Yes. It's something you learn. Right. Your mistakes are your data. Like, just like you said, keep tr keep regular tracking of what it is you're doing. Do it a week out, three weeks out, etc. etc. Right. And learn from your errors. Learn from what didn't work.

SPEAKER_05 8:05

Right. You need you need to learn what motivates you to do the spell correctly. Yes. And that takes time and effort.

SPEAKER_02 8:13

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 8:14

A lot of mistakes.

Tracking Results Over Time

SPEAKER_02 8:15

Yes, it does. You know.

SPEAKER_05 8:18

So what's the next one?

SPEAKER_02 8:20

Um, well, there's the there's the there's the one that's fear of offending spirits and deities. People are, you know, I see a lot of posts where people are afraid, not necessarily afraid, but they're nervous of about starting to work with deities or spirits or elementals or anything along those lines.

SPEAKER_05 8:43

Don't get me wrong, part of my brain's kind of like going there. Yeah, these are very powerful forces and stuff. I would not want to piss them off myself. And especially by accident.

SPEAKER_03 8:54

Right.

Everyone Messes Up, It’s Normal

SPEAKER_05 8:55

But again, we're back to that. These things are old. They've been around since before mankind.

SPEAKER_02 9:04

They've seen and heard a lot of shit.

SPEAKER_05 9:06

A lot of stuff. Just saying. I mean, I mean, I mean, don't get me wrong. I'm not sitting there saying, you know, in front of your altar, go, you know, ah, fuck. Right. They cuss out a God or anything like that. But I've never worried about offending them. The only and the the main the main thing where I sit there and say, hey, uh, if you're going to offend the gods, you're gonna offend the gods more for breaking your word than anything else you actually do.

SPEAKER_03 9:36

Right.

SPEAKER_05 9:36

All right. I mean, just because you maybe bought the wrong spirits or wine or whatever as an offering to a specific deity, at the end of the day, it don't really matter.

SPEAKER_02 9:49

I don't think so either.

SPEAKER_05 9:51

Um I think it's the intent there.

SPEAKER_02 9:54

Yeah. I was gonna say there are a lot of correspondences out there that will, you know, tell you certain deities are more aligned to certain treats, if you will, whether it be alcohol or sweets or bread or you know, whatever. Certain herbs, certain flowers, right. And and that's fine and dandy, but in all practical reality of this, if you don't have it, you go with what you got. They're gonna appreciate it.

Fear Of Offending Deities

SPEAKER_05 10:28

Well, let's think about it this way, all right? When we do our rituals, there's a section there in which we call cakes and wine. Okay. And we don't sometimes it's a donut. I we've used crackers before. Okay. Now, the reason I keep on saying this like this, and everybody's like, okay, well, what does this have to do? What's left over? What's not used? Okay, what cake's not used, what wine's not drunk, gets poured into an offering bowl and set out to the gods. Right. At no point do any of us believe that the gods would be offense because, well, it was crispy cream today and it was you know this time, it was dunk and donuts. You know. The point is that we are making that sacrifice.

SPEAKER_03 11:16

Right.

SPEAKER_05 11:17

We are giving, we're, we're offering up something there. Again, I think the intent's more important than anything else.

SPEAKER_02 11:23

Right. You're making the effort, and that's ultimately what matters.

SPEAKER_05 11:27

Right. Don't get me wrong. I like the correspondences and stuff like this. It works, it helps with making ritual and stuff like that. But to me, it's not the end-all or be all of everything we do.

SPEAKER_02 11:39

No, it's not. It's not.

SPEAKER_05 11:42

I really don't think uh deity is going to get upset because they prefer red flowers and you bought blue flowers.

SPEAKER_02 11:48

Right. Right.

SPEAKER_05 11:51

What if they didn't have any flowers? Then what are you going to do?

SPEAKER_02 11:55

And you know, how do we know they're not colorblind? Does it really matter?

SPEAKER_05 12:00

But again, I'm still back to these are old things, and I I think there's a lot of things that they've seen and haven't seen. I think it might take them a little bit longer to get offended than it does us.

SPEAKER_02 12:12

Right. And I well, and and for that matter, um well, for that very reason, I think that it's yeah, yeah, they're just they're gonna appreciate the effort.

SPEAKER_05 12:22

Right. More than anything else. I think that's what it is. They'll appreciate the effort more than not doing nothing.

SPEAKER_02 12:29

Right. Now, later on down the line, if you you know, if you want to hone that practice and you want to make it more attuned to them, you know, however you see it, then that's fine and dandy. But for just starting out, don't worry so much about the quote unquote right items.

SPEAKER_05 12:50

Right. Don't be so concerned about that. Be more concerned about making that connection is more important than anything else. Right. All right. I that that's really what in the world you should be more concerned about than anything else.

Correspondences Are Helpful Not Required

SPEAKER_02 13:08

And I think I think something that goes along with this one and the um fear of doing something wrong as far as your magic goes, the fear of messing up. I think a lot of that plays into paranoia from social media. Yeah. You know, like I said in the beginning, there's a lot of things out there that are telling you, and a lot of people are telling you, you know, you have to do things a certain way. And for them, that may be the case. That may be what works for them. But I don't think they can just tell you this is the only way you can do it.

SPEAKER_05 13:46

Well, well, again, I'm not going to sit here and say there aren't some books and some practitioners that do go around and warn everybody and tell everybody, oh no, no, no, you've got to be this gentle with them.

SPEAKER_02 13:58

Sure, it creates some paranoia.

SPEAKER_05 14:01

It creates some paranoia. But again, sitting there meditating, researching, learning about the gods you're trying to communicate with, it's gonna help with all that. You're gonna learn a little bit more about them.

SPEAKER_02 14:14

Yeah, and as far as the research goes, y'all, you've got the internet at your disposal.

SPEAKER_05 14:21

Now it isn't like we ain't got AI to correlate all the freaking data for us.

SPEAKER_02 14:26

Right. Well, I was gonna say, just because it's on the internet doesn't make it true. No. But there's a wealth of information to pull from. There, you know, there's no one correct website to go to for all the information. Pull your information and and you know, and put it together yourself.

SPEAKER_05 14:47

Well, see, I think where some of these people get this, and this idea is that everybody keeps on assuming there is the way. Yeah. Versus a way. Right. Which again, we're back to the whole entire concept. Many paths lead to to divine revelations. Right. So what works for one person might not work for another.

SPEAKER_02 15:10

Exactly. Which is which is where research comes into play, because then you're pulling information that, you know, for lack of a better term, it feels right to you, and you take that and you use it.

Social Media Paranoia And Research

SPEAKER_05 15:23

Let me explain it to you this way. All right. And here's how in the world some of this shows up. When you're learning first degree and all that from us, at some point or another, we have you meditate on each elemental. And we normally will sit there and tell you when we give you this assignment right off the bat, there's going to be one that's going to be harder than the other ones for you to meditate on. At least one. All right. At least one. And that's because not everyone, people don't have a talent. There are very few people that have talent enough for or a feel for all four elementals. Right. One will be, one will be stronger, another one will be kind of connection to be kind of uh iffy. Another one might be a little bit more moderate, and another one's just not going to be there at all. Because I haven't heard, I can't tell you how many times I've heard the following phrases. Well, air just won't listen to me. I can't get it that sits there. Water just leaves me all the damn time, just hanging.

SPEAKER_03 16:24

Right.

SPEAKER_05 16:26

Don't get me started on fire. It just this is what's going on here. It's you and how you interact with these energies, not you're offending these energies. Right. I can't think of any other way to say that. That's not you doing something wrong. That's not you offending anyone.

SPEAKER_02 16:44

Again, it's it's a skill in and of itself. Right. Just like just like magic is. It's dealing with spirits, dealing with deities. It's a skill. And it's something you learn how to do. And you do it through trial and error.

SPEAKER_05 17:01

As simple as that goes. You know, that's because again, at the end of that, at the end of that assignment, normally what we'll tell you to do is whatever element you have the hardest part with, spend an extra two or three weeks on that element. Because uh spend it the spending time with the one you get along real good doesn't help you.

SPEAKER_02 17:20

No, no, you're just fine with that one. You don't you don't need any extra. You're fine with that one.

SPEAKER_05 17:24

You you need to get along with that one that you don't get along with, which takes time and effort, takes you time and effort to learn it. Because again, it's not inherently part of your personality. No, it's not. And honestly, that's not a good thing or a bad thing. Everybody's that way, right?

SPEAKER_02 17:39

Everybody's the everybody's got that same issue somewhere. But I was gonna say, honestly, this is one of those when we call it a mystery religion, this is one of those mysteries. You have to learn it on your own. We can't tell.

SPEAKER_05 17:55

This is one this is one of those universal mysteries. We can't explain it to you until you experience it.

SPEAKER_02 18:02

Right. You have to experience it, and it's it's kind of harsh, or it seems kind of harsh, but honestly, that's the way it is. It's the only way to truly understand it.

Many Paths Not One True Way

SPEAKER_05 18:16

We can't always tell what element you are going to be good with and which one you're gonna be bad at, just you know, sitting there talking to you. Don't get me wrong, over the years I think we started to get a good idea. And we can maybe do some predictions, but I'm not going to say those predictions are always correct either.

SPEAKER_02 18:34

Right. I mean, sometimes you can tell, sometimes you can't, you know.

SPEAKER_05 18:39

I I've had a few people come up to me going, Well, I had a problem with this element, you had a problem with that element.

SPEAKER_02 18:45

Right. Well, didn't expect that.

SPEAKER_05 18:51

I mean, well, the key thing here is we expect you to have a problem with at least one.

SPEAKER_02 18:56

Yes. And we expect there to be issues with other things as you learn and as you grow and grow and as you expand. Yes. We expect that. That's all part of the process.

SPEAKER_05 19:10

All right. I there are certain things that in a third degree, here I am. I still don't get along with quite well.

SPEAKER_02 19:17

True.

Elemental Work And Personal Fit

SPEAKER_05 19:18

I might be able to work with them a whole lot better than the average because of time and patience, but and meditations and all that other stuff, but this problem does not go away.

SPEAKER_02 19:30

No, it doesn't. So it doesn't. And tying into that, there's that there's that last fear, the fear of not being quote unquote witchy enough. Y'all, it's an aesthetic, that's all it is. You don't need all the crystals.

SPEAKER_05 19:48

I think that's what they're I think that's what they're talking about it in this sense, but there is a certain thing about witchiness, though, to a certain extent.

SPEAKER_03 19:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 19:59

All right. We've we've talked about it before. People don't come to witches for their access to magic. They come for our access to wisdom.

SPEAKER_02 20:09

Well, yeah. But I think I think this comes from more of um, well, I don't read tarot cards or I don't, you know, I don't read runes, you know, I don't do this, I can't make candles, I can't make my own stuff, I can't do this, I can't do that. Just stop. These things do not a witch make.

SPEAKER_05 20:30

Hold on, hold on, let's back this up. All right. I'm a third degree. Trust me. I know my herbalism. Okay. I know I know enough to be able to make up some incense if I need to. For crying out loud, I even know how to make bunt sticks, how to use bunt sticks to make the stick incense if I needed to. Right. But it's not my field of expertise. And why would I do that? Why would I not call up Lady Keegan going, hey, you studied this?

SPEAKER_04 20:57

Right.

SPEAKER_05 21:00

And here's what I need. Because again, we're we're back to the whole entire thing of the coven situation. Not everybody can do things. That's why we have covens.

SPEAKER_02 21:12

Right, it creates a balance.

SPEAKER_05 21:14

Multiple people with multiple talents that can do multiple things. I don't make handles either. I just, you know.

SPEAKER_02 21:22

I can, but not very well. They sink. You know, they have pets on them, so you know, whatever.

SPEAKER_05 21:30

Yeah. Well, again, not knowing them or not practicing them or not learning about them, you're never it's nothing's ever going to change.

SPEAKER_02 21:39

No, it's not.

SPEAKER_05 21:40

I think you have a problem because you get these people on YouTube and all this other stuff, and they tell you all this stuff, and all this tea and the witch balls, and they all this stuff that they make. I don't think that's the majority of us.

SPEAKER_02 21:55

No, I don't think it is.

SPEAKER_05 21:56

The majority of craft don't sit there and do this stuff like. These people do on YouTube or on these videos, but this is an aesthetic. This is what they do.

SPEAKER_02 22:07

Well, and are are you with me? Yeah, and also they're they're most likely making a living off of this stuff. So yeah, they're gonna make a whole bunch of stuff. You know, it's just the way it is. You're not making a living off of it.

SPEAKER_05 22:20

I'm here being a spiritual leader for my people, and that that's that that's where I am. Right. Nothing in my little and how can I put that? Nothing in my job description inside of temple says I have to know how to cook, or I how how I how I know how to do kitchen witchery or how to make candles.

SPEAKER_03 22:40

Right.

Skill Building Through Trial And Error

SPEAKER_05 22:41

All right. My job is what religiously do we need to do according to our tradition to set up a spot to cast circle in on a regular basis. Right. Okay, there's my job. I don't do it all. None of us do.

SPEAKER_03 22:59

No.

SPEAKER_05 23:00

The pastor in a church does not do it all himself either. No, he doesn't. Or she doesn't, no. He's got a they got assistants, they got people, they got deacons and all this other stuff. So this idea that you have to do this all isn't quite right.

SPEAKER_03 23:17

No.

SPEAKER_05 23:18

Yes, I think everybody should learn the basics of divination. I think everybody should learn a little bit basic of herbalism. But this would be the same thing. I I think everybody should learn the basics of car on how a car works. Right. Why? That way when you go to the mechanic, you know what he's sort of talking about. I'm not saying an in-depth knowledge, you shouldn't have a PhD in everything we do.

SPEAKER_02 23:46

Lord, no. That's unrealistic.

SPEAKER_05 23:50

Exactly. But again, if we if we think about it in more common languages and stuff like that, yes, you have to know what to do for your job. That's all you need to worry about. Right? And as far as being witchy enough or looking witchy enough, who gives a crap? I don't think I walk around looking witchy enough.

SPEAKER_02 24:11

No. And honestly, I think the only time you and I ever went out looking quote unquote witchy in any form of the uh aesthetic was when we went to the Renaissance festival.

SPEAKER_04 24:24

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 24:27

Otherwise, we're just wearing everyday clothes.

“Witchy Enough” And The Aesthetic Trap

SPEAKER_05 24:30

We're not no, when when when I used to work as a supervisor, it was going in in white shirts, white dress shirts, and ties and tan pants and right.

SPEAKER_02 24:41

You didn't wear certain, you know, a suit and tie, but you you certainly wore a title to work. It was professional.

SPEAKER_05 24:48

We were required to look professional in our position. Yeah, me and my everyday. Yeah, I'm walking around in t-shirts, and yeah, some of them are a little bit crude sayings on of them. Some of them have some witchy little thing, but it's nothing, oh my god, you know, screaming from the slap in the face. No, no, like I I do. I walk around a shirt with a shirt on every so often. It's got a picture of a voodoo doll with pins in it. Yes. And it says thinking of you.

SPEAKER_02 25:20

Yes, and everybody who has seen it are just loves that shirt.

SPEAKER_05 25:24

Loves it and just laugh their butts off again. Pagan or not.

SPEAKER_02 25:27

That's huge. Pagan or not, they uh they love it.

SPEAKER_05 25:31

You know. I I don't understand what this I'm not witchy enough.

SPEAKER_02 25:37

Well, I think again, I think it goes back to social media. There's a there seems to be a lot of unrealistic expectations that people are setting for themselves because they see all these people doing and looking a certain way, and oh, I've got to do that.

SPEAKER_05 25:57

I I don't think anybody I have never heard anybody in my whole entire life going around, well, you just don't look Christian enough.

SPEAKER_02 26:03

No. No.

SPEAKER_05 26:09

You know, I mean, don't get me wrong, I have heard my mom look at my sisters right before we go to church, you're wearing that to church. Well, yeah. Which is a different subject other than you don't look Christian enough.

SPEAKER_04 26:22

Right.

SPEAKER_05 26:24

I mean, I mean, that's basically what we're saying.

SPEAKER_04 26:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 26:28

Yeah, absolutely. Why do we even have this standard? Why even we have this thought in craft to begin with? Well is beyond me.

SPEAKER_02 26:38

I kind of relate it to models in the fashion industry. It's they've set a standard, an unrealistic standard for how the the sexiest people should look. I guess, but it's it's toxic, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_05 26:59

Well, I'm not saying it's not toxic and it's not annoying, but it should to me this should not be a thing in craft.

SPEAKER_02 27:07

No.

SPEAKER_05 27:09

In the pagan community at large, this right here should not be a thing at all.

SPEAKER_02 27:12

No, it shouldn't.

Covens, Roles, And Realistic Skills

SPEAKER_05 27:14

It's back to the where's your yardstick? What are you judging this on? Mm-hmm. Are you there there's for my first problem? It's kind of like the people that go around going, well, that's not fair, that's not fair. Compared to what?

SPEAKER_03 27:28

Right.

SPEAKER_05 27:29

What do you consider fair and what do you consider unfair? What do you consider witchy and what don't you consider witchy?

SPEAKER_02 27:35

Mm-hmm. And and what are your guidelines? What are your where's your ruler on that? Like you said, where's the art stuff? I just yeah, where where where's that goldpost?

SPEAKER_05 27:46

I I'd like to know.

SPEAKER_02 27:48

Yeah. So I I think when it comes down to it, kind of wrap up this conversation, I think that it all comes down to when you're new, you just have to understand you're gonna have to build some confidence. And the only way to do that is to track your results, be consistent in what you're doing, uh-huh, figure out a way that you want to do stuff and consistently do it.

SPEAKER_05 28:16

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 28:17

And set realistic expectations for yourself. Don't don't set these long-term goals that uh that nobody's ever going to achieve.

SPEAKER_05 28:26

Right. Uh well again, again, it's just like what you tell people about meditation. All right, you don't sit there and try to do 45 minutes to start with.

SPEAKER_02 28:36

No, you start up with like five minutes.

SPEAKER_05 28:38

Just five five minutes.

SPEAKER_02 28:40

You know, and if you can't do five minutes, great. Just do whatever you can. Start somewhere.

SPEAKER_05 28:44

Right? Start somewhere, start, somewhere, anywhere. Just start. Start. I mean, there's there's the main thing. Just start, just do. If if you're waiting on someone to give you permission to start, I'm doing that. I'm giving you permission. Go ahead, start. Nobody should stop you, nobody should yell at you. I'm sorry. Absolutely not. You can meditate. Yes, you can read the books, you can sit down. Sit down and write down today. Today I believe. And keep working with it.

SPEAKER_02 29:19

Today I did X. Doesn't even have to be anything. Just today, today I wash dishes. Right. I kind of dazed, I kind of dazed out a little bit. Right. Okay. Write it down.

SPEAKER_05 29:33

All right. Write that down.

SPEAKER_02 29:34

It was an experience.

SPEAKER_05 29:36

Yeah. I have those moments through the day, and you know, in the majority of the times I think of really good questions, and then you know, two seconds later I completely forget them because, well, I was in a state.

SPEAKER_02 29:49

And when you came out of it, you didn't have a way to write it down.

SPEAKER_05 29:52

I didn't have a way to write it down, or I didn't, and you're kind of like, ah, damn.

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SPEAKER_02 29:57

Or you come out of it and it's like it's like waking up from a dream. It's like, I know I had a dream, but what was it?

SPEAKER_05 30:02

I well, I was just again, how many times has anybody said the pot? I was just thinking about something and I can't remember.

SPEAKER_02 30:12

Yeah. So again, it's gonna happen. Just go with it. Just roll with the punches, it'll be okay. Anyway, I'm ready for some coffee. Let's go get some coffee. Like, share, subscribe. Leave us a comment. Leave us comments, yeah. Please. Thanks for listening. Join us next week for another episode. Pegan Coffee Talk is brought to you by Life Temple and Seminary. Please visit us at life templeseminary.org for more information, as well as links to our social media. Facebook, Discord, Twitter, YouTube, and Reddit.

SPEAKER_00 30:51

We travel down this trodden path, the maze of stone and mire. Just hold my hand as we pass by a steel blazing fires. And so it is the end of our days, so walk with me till morning break. And so it is the end of our days, so walk with me till morning break.