Egregores vs Group Mind in Paganism

In this episode, we take a grounded, accessible look at egregores, residual energy fields, and how they differ from the group mind in modern pagan practice. Through real‑world examples and personal experiences, we explore how ritual work, emotional intensity, and repeated spiritual activity can create lingering energetic imprints—sometimes helpful, sometimes overwhelming, and occasionally misunderstood. We also discuss how these fields form unintentionally, how they accumulate over time, and why wards, seals, and mindful practice matter.

We then shift into the psychological side of community by examining the concept of the group mind—how humans naturally sync with one another, why belonging shapes behavior, and where the line between healthy connection and unhealthy influence begins. From sports fandoms to political echo chambers to spiritual groups, we unpack the benefits, risks, and red flags that come with collective identity.

Together, these two concepts—energetic and psychological—offer a fuller understanding of how pagan groups function, how ritual spaces evolve, and how practitioners can cultivate healthier, more self‑aware communities. This episode is ideal for listeners curious about egregores, group mind dynamics, pagan energy work, ritual spaces, and community psychology

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Welcome And Listener Support

Speaker 2 0:17

Welcome to Pagan and Coffee Talk. If you enjoy our content, please consider donating and following our socials. So here's uh something that we've mentioned before, and I thought we should delve a little bit more into it, kind of give everybody an idea what it is. What is an aggregor and how is it different from a group mind?

Speaker 0:40

The aggregor field, all right? It's an energetic field of energy that correlates in one spot after a while. It's often referred to in computer electronics of when we delete data, it doesn't always it doesn't delete at all that some random pieces of code stick just stick around. And as computers defrag and all that, all that starts to get compiled together and will oftentimes create a virus or a bug in the system itself. Or could even create or possibly even create a new program all by itself. It's how the theory goes.

Speaker 2 1:24

Okay. But now as as far as paganism is concerned and what we do, would you would you say it's more like a thought form? Or is it just like an energy field?

Speaker 1:37

It's just like an energy field. Okay. I mean, that's all there is to it. It's just to us, it's just an energy field. Again, it's that concept that we put out psychic energy to create our first or to create our barriers, or however you want to look at it, to cast our circle.

Speaker 2 1:53

Right.

Speaker 1:54

And the concept here is that you're not able to absorb all that energy back in. That's you're gonna leave some of it behind.

Speaker 2 2:05

All right. So are you with me? Yeah, it's just residual energy.

Speaker 2:09

It's just residual energy that you can't get back up. Again, we we often use that the analogy of um cleaning your carpets with an extractor. It sprays on water, then it sucks it right back up. But you don't get everything. But you don't, again, it's obvious because even after you get done, and you if you touch the carpet, it's still slightly wet. Right. So you're not getting a hundred percent of the moisture back out.

Speaker 2 2:35

Okay. Um, do we know do we know where the idea of this came from?

Speaker 2:43

You know, I hate to be this way. I really don't know.

Speaker 2 2:47

I think it stems from like around for a while. Yeah, I think it has, but I think it stems more from maybe like the Golden Dawn type stuff.

Speaker 2:58

Don't get me lying. I I but I don't know. Well, the theory's been out there for years. I just don't know where I'm not exactly sure where it came from. I'm not sure if it is a occult concept or not. Okay. I we would actually have to do some research.

Speaker 2 3:16

Well, if anybody knows, drop us a line. We'd love to hear more about this.

Speaker 3:21

I mean, and I hate to be this way though, but the flip side of it is I believe there might be a scientific theory like this, too.

Speaker 2 3:29

Yeah.

Speaker 3:31

So it well again, again, like just like I said, like with the data in the computer.

Speaker 3 3:36

Uh-huh.

Speaker 3:37

All the data doesn't get erased. The data that's left behind, even though it might be a fragment, starts to compile together.

Speaker 2 3:45

That's my next question. Something like that, does it continue to pile up like the Egregor field does? Yes.

Speaker 3:53

Yes, over over time.

Speaker 2 3:54

All that deleted data still still piles up.

Speaker 3:58

Right.

Speaker 2 3:59

Okay.

Speaker 4:00

Continuously.

Speaker 2 4:01

All right.

Speaker 4:02

All right, until until it becomes too big to ignore, but yeah, it it does over time.

Speaker 2 4:08

All right. So and so basically anything that we do, well, anything that we do inside of that space is going to, for lack of a better word, it's going to feed it.

Speaker 4:22

Yes. I mean, because even even right, even the same thing could happen technically on these um religious artifacts, the Shroud of Torah and all the because people are going to go stay in there because they are emotional, they are giving off certain energy, that that energy in these items, even if they're not truly holy relics. Are you with me? Right. Just the fact that people are going to go see them and they keep on leaving their energy behind that will build up that energy in the object itself. Gotcha. To a certain extent, it is sort of like a topa or a thought form, uh-huh, but it's not specifically made.

Speaker 2 5:08

It just sort of not it just happens, right?

Speaker 5:11

It just happens.

Speaker 2 5:13

Okay.

Speaker 5:15

It's not like it again, when we do a thought form or a topa, we we're we're we're going in with the goal to create something on purpose. Right. When we're doing the aggregate, we're not doing this on purpose. It just seems to happen. Okay. Also, hence the reason why in the world we are we're big about. Here's why in the world we put up these uh barriers and these seals and stuff to try to keep the energy inside a house because again, it continuously builds over and over again. Every time that circle's used, every time y'all do, every time we do a ritual, a little bit of energy is left behind.

Speaker 2 5:56

So this isn't this isn't just common to groups, this is common to individuals as well.

Speaker 6:03

Yes. And again, the difference is if you're an individual, it's gonna take longer.

Speaker 2 6:10

Well, sure, because you don't have as much. Right.

Speaker 6:14

Right. It will still take time. So, yes, I mean you do ritual inside a house for 50, 60 years. True. That's a lot of that's gonna be a lot of freaking energy in one spot. Right. Hence the reason why in the world our argument is these wind uh while we don't when these people pass on and nobody's there to uh maintain the barriers and stuff like this, that these become beacons for other entities to go, ooh, lunchtime.

Speaker 2 6:48

Okay, but now in that case, let me ask you, would it wouldn't it just dissipate? Because it's not being fed anymore. Wouldn't it just eventually just go away?

Speaker 6:58

Well, it will over time. But if it took 60 years to build up, how long do you think it's gonna take for it to dissipate? Okay. It's not like it's gonna dissipate, you know, within 24 hours. It's gonna take time.

Speaker 2 7:14

So it's it's not like um it's not like a dissolvable strip or anything where you put water on it and it just goes away. Right. It's gonna be it's gonna be more like um it's gonna be more like radiation.

Speaker 7:28

Yeah. It's gonna be more like Chernobyl. You're gonna have to wait for the radiation cord to finish burning itself out before you can really get near it. Right. So it is gonna take some time.

Speaker 2 7:41

So that okay, so that is something you need to consider. Are there uh you know, are there any wards or anything that we can do to kind of balance?

Speaker 7:50

Of course, there's always well again, there's always those wards, and I'm sorry, a clever witch always sets up the wards to sort of eat or to grab its energy off the agrarian field itself. So again, the the the the wards and source sort of energize themselves after a while. It sort of becomes a perpetual machine to some extent, right? Because where you keep on putting more energy into the agrarian field, the wards keep on sucking the energy out of the agrarian field, it sort of becomes equilibrium there, right?

Speaker 2 8:25

It's it's um what's that? Uh oh, I'm drawing a blank scientific thing. Something it's one of those machines they've been trying to do for years.

Speaker 8:35

Yeah, the self-perpetuating machines. Yes, yes, yeah. In a way, this is what it is.

Speaker 2 8:40

But again, when you stop doing rituals, that energy's not going to be refilling its right, it's not going to continue to stack because there won't be anything there.

Speaker 8:52

Right. Because again, people are no longer doing right. So as the energy starts to weaken, so do the wars. So does the so do the wars, which allows more of that energy to seep out or be seen by other entities. Okay. All right, which would explain a lot of the whole ghost stories when you start to think about it, because people move into a house, it always starts off slow. And then builds up over time. Well, I mean, it's not a good thing. Which makes me think this just the energy wearing off to some extent.

Speaker 2 9:24

It might, but who's to say that there were rituals taking place in that house? So I mean true. We, you know, that's stuff you don't know. I mean, it could be an explanation, but I don't think there are that many.

Speaker 9:36

Well, I know I again I think the I think these fields, I think these fields, no matter what in the world we do, build up everywhere. All right. The schools, schools that uh elementary schools and other schools that have been abandoned that we had back in the 50s. Oh, sure. Sure. Again, there's an agrarian field there. That's where all these, that's where these echoes come from.

Speaker 2 9:58

Right. It's uh it's the old schools, it's the you know, uh, the movie theaters, any place where there's a large place and people get emotional and there's you know possible trauma. It's anything like that could feed that.

Speaker 10:14

Well, again, and you have this in houses because let's think about it this way. What happens when people finally move out of houses and leave them abandoned for long periods of time? Well, this they start to kind of degrade, don't smell right, even though somebody might be keeping it up. You can tell the difference. The feel of a house that's been empty for a while is a whole lot more hollow versus a house that's just been lived in. Well, true. These houses don't have any wards or anything on them. No, and again, we keep on saying psychic energy is created when we have high emotional states, true, and a lot of energy. So, again, a family growing up, kids going through puberty, the whole nine yards, daughters going around, oh no, Jimmy, you know, no longer wants to date me. Oh the teenage son moping around, hiding in it, you know. Right. I mean, these are heightened emotions. If you don't think that's not sending out some psychic energy, true. Yeah, the only difference is is when we're talking about in witchcraft, it's a little bit more focused and purposefully done.

Speaker 2 11:24

Well, yeah. I mean that's versus all this other well, yeah. I was gonna say, I mean, if you're if you're in ritual, if you're doing ritual, it's it's very focused. So yeah, that makes sense that the Gregor field is gonna be focused as well.

Speaker 11:40

And it's gonna be a little bit more intense than you would, but again, right, I still think there's they're still the same thing to me. Okay, yeah. If I if we're making sense there, that that feel of the house, yeah.

What A Group Mind Really Means

Speaker 2 11:52

All right. Let's talk a little bit of what um what is about what a group mind is. The Borg. Well, I mean, it's it's you know, it's more psychological than it is metaphysical at that point.

Speaker 12:09

So I mean, again, we don't have I I don't think humanity will ever have a true hive mind unless we get the whole entire um get the implants and everything. Get the implants and stuff, and we're all connected via computer.

Speaker 2 12:26

What is it? The uh well, I well, I mean, if people could see us now, we're both wearing headsets, and if you're Doctor Who fans, we kind of look like you know, the metal men.

Speaker 12:37

Yeah. But again, I mean that I think that's the only way we can become a hive, a true hive mind, like what most people think about.

Speaker 2 12:47

Right. You know, well, I don't I don't think that's I don't but uh that's not in my opinion, that's not the purpose of a group mind. I think a group mind is where where you're just more everybody's more in tune with each other.

Speaker 13:02

Right.

Speaker 2 13:03

And you know, we're all kind of got the same frame of mind when we come together.

Speaker 13:08

Well uh to be this way, is that not the same thing about like every country? Each individual country has its own customs, own culture. I mean, is that not to some extent a group mind?

Speaker 2 13:23

Yeah, I guess you could relate it to that as well. Yeah, that's more of a massive scale, though.

Speaker 13:29

Well, well, again, uh it's still the same thing. Here, here, let me let me help you out here, all right? Well, think about the difference between first shift, second shift, and third shift, especially when you're talking to the shifts.

Speaker 2 13:40

Yeah.

Speaker 13:41

Each ship has his own group mind and group thought.

Speaker 2 13:45

Yeah, they're they're all a little different from each other.

Speaker 13:48

So again, this is the tendency of humanity because, well, we do this stuff. We want to belong. We're we are a social group, so it makes sense that most people in a in a country all have the same, roughly the same values, roughly the same thoughts, and the same beliefs. That makes sense to me.

Speaker 2 14:08

Well, yeah, I mean, uh, and on a slightly smaller scale, but not really. I mean, you look at sports fans here in the US. If you've got it's take one sports team, and then you've got people from all over the U.S. who follow the sports team, on game day, they're all wearing the same type jerseys, they're all yelling the same chants, they're all doing the same things, they're all gathering together.

Speaker 14:37

And why it's going on, this is the most important thing in the world, and it is it it it they treat it like life and death.

Speaker 2 14:44

Right. So that you know, you can look at political rallies, online communities. There's they all do the same things.

Speaker 14:52

All right, hate to be this way. Let's pull it out. Look at the gay community. We both know how clicky they are. Yeah. If you're not a certain height, if you're not a certain weight, if you're not, if you're not certain chiseled, yeah, you're invisible.

Speaker 2 15:07

Yeah.

Speaker 15:08

So we do this all the time.

Speaker 2 15:11

We do.

Speaker 15:13

All right. We we we do it mu more than we like to admit. It is part of human nature.

Speaker 2 15:19

It is, and I uh well, I was gonna say, I think it's it's due to the thought pattern of belonging. We all want to belong to something. And if we if we're part of something, whether it be a church congregation, a sports, you know, sports fandom, political rally, or whatever. Whatever we belong.

Speaker 15:44

We belong.

Speaker 2 15:45

We belong, and and we have we have our peeps, we have our people, you know, and I and and that's all part of the human part of human nature.

Speaker 15:55

Yes.

Speaker 2 15:55

I mean again we're pack animals.

Speaker 15:58

Well we are. I mean do we have those people out there? Well, do we have those people out there that are the lone wolves and stuff? Yeah, of course. Because again, human spectrum, it it it does exist, but what we're talking about is the bulk of people seem to all fall into the same category, generally speaking. It's very few people that want to be the lone wolves, and there's very few people who want to be the lower end of the spectrum there. But if you're talking about a wolf back in it, whatever. Again, necessary, they're there. Apparently, you know, uh the world went, no, we need these people just as much as we need these people. Right. So they're here.

Manipulation Risks And Red Flags

Speaker 2 16:43

Right. Now, are there are there any risks to being part of a group mind that you can think of?

Speaker 16:52

I mean, I can think of that. Especially when you well, especially when you start getting into cult behaviors. And that's where in the world this group mind seems to go wrong. When you have your Heaven Gates and your you know, Jonestowns and stuff like this.

Speaker 2 17:09

Well, uh I think that's part of it, but yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 17:12

I mean, I well again, it's still it's still the whole group mind. It's just it's taken to an extreme that is goes beyond what in the world most humans would tolerate.

Speaker 2 17:23

Well, yeah, but that I mean, that takes place in other realms of human existence as well. I mean, you well again, my I hate to bring up politics again, but not really, just brushing the subject here. We all know that on both sides of the political spectrum, we all have those for lack of a better word, it's like an echo chamber.

Speaker 17:48

Yes.

Speaker 2 17:49

Where everybody repeats the same things that everybody else is saying, true or not. And it happened, you know, in for the US, we only have two major political parties, and it happens on both sides. And it even happens, it even happens with folks who are in the middle. I mean, it's it's I I think that's a huge risk.

Speaker 18:11

Well, it well again, I I still think the underlying behavior that causes all this is us wanting to be part of the group.

Speaker 2 18:19

Right. I'm just saying it's I'm just saying it's a risk, and we have to be aware of that.

Speaker 18:24

Well, again, when we start getting into more cult behaviors, oh no, no, no. You shouldn't associate with anybody other than us. You shouldn't associate. Are you understanding what I'm saying there? When we start getting in there, where in the world the group behavior requires you to cut off everybody else and everything else and doing harmful things. Again, this is where in the world this group behavior starts going bad for us as humans.

Speaker 2 18:49

Oh, yeah, no, absolutely. And there, you know, there are ways to mitigate that. It's just, you know, I I kind of want people to be aware that there are risks to being part of a group, whatever that group may be. You know, and among those are definitely manipulation, being susceptible to manipulation. That's that's a huge risk. And you know, just be aware and be aware of more than just your surroundings. Be aware of what's being said, what's being done.

Speaker 19:20

What people are doing, what they're not doing, you know, how they're behaving, are they keeping again? You you have we have to judge people over time. Yes. All right. And and I know this is going to sound really bad, but at no point should we stop sitting there questioning people.

unknown 19:39

Oh no.

Speaker 19:40

Even if it's an on our head. You know, even if it's somebody we love, you know, why are they behaving that way? Why should we, if you're not questioning these things, right? All right, or if you're told not to question these things, that's a red flag for me. And that's like the first time you go, no, no, no, no, then we should.

Speaker 2 19:58

Right. Absolutely.

Speaker 20:00

I am that type of person. I will never accept because I said so as an answer. That's not an answer.

Speaker 2 20:08

Because I said so, because I read it in a book, whatever. No, no, give me a valid reason.

Speaker 20:15

Give me a valid reason. Used to work in housekeeping at a hospital. There's a lot of rules and regulations I had to learn. Luckily, when I was learning them rules and regulations, I had a few people come by going, oh no, no, here's why we have to do this this way. Here's the reason for this. Right. This is the reason needle boxes have to be this high off the floor. Right. So little kids can't reach in there. But until you learn that, you're kind of like, okay, that makes no sense. Why in the world? Are are you with me?

Speaker 2 20:49

I am. I mean, just the other day I was uh talking, there's a there's a new lady at work, and she has no experience whatsoever, and and she was trying to do something, and I was like, here, let me explain to you why it's done this way. Maybe that'll help you grasp what we're doing and why we do it.

Speaker 21:09

Exactly.

Speaker 2 21:09

And once she understood, she was like, Oh, I get it. The light bulb went off. It didn't really help her finish what she was doing, but she understood why she was doing why she why we were trying to get her to do it a certain way.

Speaker 21:25

Right. Again, experience certain things, and it it takes time. It does. But again, if you're just sitting there accepting what everybody says around you, then this is back when group minds really do become a problem.

Where Egregor And Group Overlap

Speaker 2 21:42

Yes, they definitely do. But I'm wondering what your opinion on this is. Are there times when these two things overlap each other?

Speaker 21:56

I don't want to say so much that they do overlap. Mm-hmm. All right, because again, that leftover energy, just like that leftover data, don't actually point in a specific direction. There's not enough left over. Okay. While we technically program energy to run like a computer program to create a circle or whatever that space, it still remembers that a little bit. And I think that's why in the world, again, when you've done ritual in the same spot time and time again, that casting of circle becomes a little bit easier over time.

Speaker 2 22:37

I guess what I'm asking is, is it possible that some of that energy gets taken with you when you leave? Is it, I mean, you see what I'm asking?

Speaker 22:51

Well, again, I mean it's not like we're not sitting there in that ritual space, let's say what, up to 30 minutes to 45 minutes at a time. Right. You're you're we're and at that time, technically, if you're inside that circle, you're bathing in the stuff.

Speaker 2 23:08

Yeah, I was gonna say, is it and I mean it's kind of like an Epsom salt bath. The Epsom salt's gonna absorb into your skin at least a little bit.

Speaker 23:16

A little bit. I want to sit here and say our body, our our energies of our body sort of work like our immune systems, and it wants to tendency to push out energy that's not ours. Okay. As foreign bodies. All right. Hence the reason why humans are a little bit different than your floor. Gotcha. In this sense. Okay, that makes sense. Because I mean we're we're cre because we are continuously creating that energy field all the time.

Speaker 2 23:44

Right.

Speaker 23:44

While we might get that stink on us, it don't really stay on us very long, I don't think.

Speaker 2 23:49

So is there is there really any other purpose to the agregor field other than assisting with casting circle and ritual space?

Speaker 23:56

Rituals to to make the the space more intense, to make the rituals more But that's it.

Speaker 2 24:02

Ritual, that's it. That's it. We don't use it for anything else.

Speaker 24:06

No, you don't have to. I mean, yes, you yes, I can go to where we have circle and cast the spell and use that agrarian field for an extra little boost. Okay. Is it what I'm am I going to go through all that trouble just to cast a spell? Probably not, no. The extra boost is not worth getting up, putting all my stuff to get all my stuff, putting it in the vehicle, driving the 30 minutes over to the lady's house to go into her front room going, no, I'm just casting a spell, ignore me. I I know you're having dinner right now, but I I'll be fine all by myself.

Speaker 2 24:42

I'll be here 10 minutes, Max, and then I'm gone again.

Speaker 24:44

And then I'm gone. I'll lock up before I leave. All right. I I again I don't have a problem with this, but if we were doing ritual at our house, would I use it? Probably.

Speaker 2 25:00

Do you think that the agregor field contributes to the group mind when we come together in that space?

Speaker 25:10

I think sometimes it allows us to attune a little bit better.

Speaker 2 25:15

Okay. Yeah, because that's that's kind of what I was thinking as well. And I was like, hmm, I wonder what you think about this.

Speaker 25:22

All right. Well, well, let's be honest. I mean, we used to do ritual at our house back in the day. Yes. When we first got started. And we we did that for a number of years. So we lived in a house that had this agrarian, had a really big agrarian field.

Speaker 2 25:36

Yes.

Speaker 25:37

For years that we did. I mean, it was like, what, seven years?

Speaker 2 25:40

Yeah, we put a lot of years, something that seven years.

Speaker 25:44

All right. And I have seen your parents come over, sit on our couch, and look like they just smoked the biggest doobie in their lives. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean when the fire is going in the whole nine yards, and they're just like, I don't know why we're so spacey. And you looking at me the whole time, you just got my parents stoned off the agrarian field in the house, really.

Speaker 2 26:04

Well, I mean, we kind of knew it was gonna happen. I just didn't know it was gonna affect them quite like that. I mean, they looked like they were ready to take a nap.

Speaker 26:15

But my my point, my my point on telling this is but for me and you, it was just an everyday event.

Speaker 2 26:22

Well, yeah, we were already used to it.

Speaker 26:24

But again, if if you're living in it, you don't really think about it. Right. The only times we the only time we ever thought about it is when people who were not members of Temple came in the house and we saw them start to react to the agrarian field, going, oh, no, no, no, no. Let's go sit out on the porch instead. Right. So again, it's there. And yes, you the these are some of the effects I think happen from the agrarian field. Because again, your parents didn't get that stone look until they went to our living room and they were sitting in like, well, the edge of where our circle would be anyway.

Speaker 2 27:01

Right, right. So yeah, see, that's that's kind of where um I'm like, they kind of do overlap. And I think that's about the only instance where they do.

Speaker 27:11

Right. I don't think an agrarian field can create a hive mind like what we're thinking about, but it does help us attune ourselves to each other better.

Speaker 2 27:21

Yeah. And so basically, simply put, well, I hope it's simply put, when we when we come together and we step into that space, like you said, we we attune a little bit faster to what's going on to each other, to the energies, to the energies that we are putting out.

Speaker 27:40

Right. And and that agrarian fear helps us step that energy up to even a higher frequency. Right. Thinking, okay, the the more energy, the more frequent the higher frequency we can do, the better we can bring the gods closer to our realm or bring us closer to their realm, allowing us a better communication with one another.

Speaker 2 27:58

Right. Um, I think well, and I think this is important. I think all of that is important because I think these two things together kind of give us um like uh a magical worldview plus some type of psychological literacy where we're able to have a little bit better discernment about things, and I think in some ways it creates healthier communities as well.

Speaker 28:33

I think it does too, because again, that agrarian field helps us to express or to feel other people's emotions more at the time and become more familiar with each other. Right. So again, it it it it makes a better connection over time. Right. I'm not saying I'm not gonna sit here and say I've never felt it in a Christian setting. It's just in craft, we because of the barriers and the other stuff, that energy is more intense. Gotcha, yeah. So again, I can see the same thing sort of happening on a small on a lower level scale inside of a church.

Speaker 2 29:11

Well, I think churches have their own, especially the older churches, I think they have their own wards, if you will. Because I mean, I I look at all the ones that have the stained glass windows, they have, you know, they have saints in them, they have crosses, they have doves, they have all the symbols of of the Christian religion. And I think those in and of themselves become the wards.

Speaker 29:37

Uh just to an extent. For some reason, to a to an extent. But for some reason, I think something something about the way we do things, or the way people in craft do things, that energy tends to be a little bit more intense than it would in other religions. It's kind of a little bit more freewilling.

Speaker 3 29:54

Yeah.

Speaker 29:55

In other religions than it is. I mean, because again, that agrarian field's pretty intense after a while. So it's hard to explain. There is I I do feel a slight difference between when I go to our temple versus when I go to a church or somewhere like that. I'm not saying the energy ain't there, it's just not as intense feeling.

Toxic Effects And Clearing The Field

Speaker 2 30:18

Now, would you would you say that there's ever a time when when agregors can be toxic? Well, really, I think For lack of a better word.

Speaker 30:30

Well, well, again, it again, if uh you you still have that agrarian field going on in mental institutions, hospitals. The only difference is that the emotions that are being drugged up here are probably more negative than positive.

Speaker 2 30:44

I guess what I'm asking is can can the um is it possible that spending like spending too much time in an agregor field could it cause like holier than thou attitudes?

Speaker 31:00

You probably could.

Speaker 2 31:03

I can I can understand anything along those lines. That's kind of what I'm asking.

Speaker 31:08

Don't get me wrong, do I think somebody could come in there and get addicted on an agrarian field? Yes. Yes, I I believe someone is quite capable of using it just like a drug if they wanted to. It's just hopefully we don't train people to do that type of thing or hopefully break them from it before where they won't do this type of stuff. But again, I I can see that again, just like we were talking about when your parents came over and they looked like they were about to fall asleep on the couch. Right. I mean, literally, I can see somebody going, uh no, I'm gonna go hang out over their house because well, I get a little high and I don't really have anything in my system, and I can enjoy it for a while. True. Right. Then then then you have the problem of somebody hanging out at your house all the time instead of well, true.

Speaker 2 32:01

And then you, you know, then you have those people that just you know you can't seem to get rid of them.

unknown 32:05

Right.

Speaker 3 32:06

You know what?

Speaker 2 32:06

I'm going to bed now, and they're like, okay, and they're still watching TV or whatever, and it's like, um no, you don't understand.

Speaker 32:16

You need to leave. I would I would like to lock my doors, set my alarm, and go to bed.

Speaker 2 32:20

You need to leave. Which we all know those people.

Speaker 32:28

Yes. And and I tend to think it's a little bit worse inside witches' houses where we do ritual because again, people don't want to always leave. They want to hang out, they want to have fun.

Speaker 2 32:38

Well, sure. And you know, that's perfectly understandable, but you know, we have to set boundaries somewhere.

Speaker 32:43

Somewhere. If not, if not, we have the whole entire conversation. I remember Lord Lou saying that he had to have with Temple. I would like to have sex with my wife at some point. Can y'all all please leave the house?

Speaker 2 32:55

Right. I need you gone. I don't want you here. No offense. So, okay, well, so um we've so we've discussed how they're created and basically how they're maintained. What we haven't discussed is how do you dissolve one? Oh god. An egregor fool. How do you dissolve it? How or how do you cleanse it? How do you get rid of it?

Speaker 33:25

You well, the only way I have found is for uh for you to take a quartz a quartz crystal, and it don't it don't have to be pretty, it could just be one of them clusters of you know you know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 2 33:38

And it doesn't have to be very big or doesn't need to be a certain size.

Speaker 33:42

That really depends on up to you. Okay. Because again, all we did was when we left our house, was I took a quartz crystal, put it in the middle of the room, and basically put a spell on it or put the orders on it to suck up all the energy it could. Once it got so filled, I packed it up and gave it to the lady, go, okay, here, take this to your house and you give it the reverse command to start releasing this energy in your house. Depending on how long you've been doing it, you may have to do this multiple times. Okay. All right, and even then, you're not gonna get it all up. Right. You're gonna still wind up leaving a little bit of it behind. And yes, there will always be a potential for one day that that might cause a house to be haunted or possessed by something. Because again, the house gets to the point to where it just looks like a big buffet to them. It's psychic energy all over the place.

Speaker 2 34:43

Food. Feed me see more. Feed me see more. All right. Um, are there um what kind of wards would you suggest to put up before creating creating one?

Speaker 35:00

Well, those wards are really based on your tradition that you're following. Okay. If you're practicing voodoo, I'd tell you to use voodoo ones. If you're you're following more of a Celtic path like us, then you're gonna probably use more Celtic symbols that represent those protections.

Speaker 2 35:19

So these are gonna be more like sigils or like you said, symbols, some type of representation of what it is of your intent.

Speaker 35:29

Right. Now, the majority of the times when we when we do this, well, when I've ever done it, normally what we'll do is we'll paint the walls. And what we'll do is we'll normally start by using the paint to paint the symbols on the wall, and then we paint over top of them. All right, because the idea is that, you know, hey, once we've made the symbol and charged it, all we're now doing is just covering it up and hiding it in plain sight. It's there, but it's not there. And again, when you when you sit there and you do this and you put this on like four walls in a room, or you know, you do this to all the you know walls in your house and do some, you know, taking like a salt circle right outside the house. Again, these are these are nothing more than just small barriers. Right. Now sit there and say, hey, that that salt circle you're doing around your house, it don't require no, no, you're not you're not doing a coke line for you know, Godzilla or anything.

unknown 36:28

Right.

Speaker 36:28

So it doesn't have to be very big. So again, you're not salting the ground to kill everything for years to come. You're just want to sprinkle it.

Speaker 2 36:37

It's it it's all you need.

Speaker 36:39

A little goes a long way, right?

Speaker 2 36:43

Anything else you want to say about this? Any other suggestions, uh things to look out for? And just in case we missed anything.

Speaker 36:53

It's just something you're gonna have to work with over time and figure out, you know, make sure all your barriers are up and they all stay in place and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 37:04

So well, I mean, is there is there anything like I guess what I'm asking is is there anything in particular you need to look out for to maybe something that might give you an indication, okay, I might need to strengthen these wards, or I might do I might need to do a little something different, or I might need to do something a little stronger.

Speaker 37:27

I again there's no one thing I'm gonna sit there and say. Again, if it starts to feel a little bit funky there, maybe you should reinforce your wards. It's a trial and error. All right. Try an error error if you suddenly start getting some mispachievous behavior of things disappeared and then suddenly reappearing. Yeah, you might want to check your wards. Okay. Make sure you put them on everything and not calling anybody out. But yes, we had to go to a house, and she was like, I I I keep on cleansing everything and all this other stuff, and I still have stuff going on in the house. As you walk through her house, I kept on saying pictures of bridges, photographs, actual drone pictures and sketches, and I'm like blueprints, uh right. So unfortunately, you have all these entrance points in these pictures. Sometimes even those. So again, if you got like a picture in your house with a road or something on there, you might want to think about sealing that picture so nothing can say come down that road.

Speaker 2 38:36

If you're going that route, bridges, roads, doors, windows, windows, um, um, anything along those lines. Right. Anything that could potentially represent an entry point.

Speaker 38:49

Entry point you might want to seal and pay very close attention to.

Speaker 2 38:54

Oh, that's good advice. I didn't uh I I forgot about that one, but yeah.

Speaker 38:59

So again, these are again other ways that these spiritual beings can come across.

Speaker 2 39:05

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Speaker 39:17

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Speaker 2 39:17

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Speaker 1 39:39

We travel down this trodden path, the maze of stone and mire. Just hold my hand as we pass by a steel blazing fires. And so it is the end of our days, to walk with me till morning break. And so it is the end of our days, to walk with me till morning break.