Home As Ritual Space

This episode explores the foundational Pagan concepts of tribe, clan, and family—and how these traditional social structures once shaped daily life, survival, and spiritual connection. The hosts break down the differences between immediate family, extended clan networks, and the broader tribe, emphasizing shared values, mutual support, and cultural cohesion. They discuss how clan‑based living historically provided stability, accountability, and built‑in social care, from shared labor to childcare to food production.

The conversation then shifts to the modern world, highlighting how industrialization, urbanization, and the nuclear‑family model have severed many people from land, kin, and ancestral ways of living. Through examples of homesteading, multigenerational households, and cooperative communities, the hosts explore how Pagan practitioners today can rebuild these older patterns—growing food, sharing resources, raising children collectively, and restoring reciprocity with land and elders. They argue that reconnecting with these structures not only strengthens community resilience but also transforms everyday life into a living spiritual practice.

Ultimately, the episode invites listeners to imagine what it would look like to revive tribal living, clan cooperation, and land‑based spirituality in a modern context—whether through family, chosen family, or intentional community. It’s a grounded, practical discussion about reclaiming ancestral lifeways, strengthening Pagan identity, and creating sustainable, interdependent communities rooted in shared values and mutual care.

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SPEAKER_06 0:25

For the longest time you've you you've talked about tribe, clan, family, things like that.

SPEAKER_01 0:34

Right. What again, this is these are stables in our belief system that we right.

SPEAKER_06 0:40

Break it down for us. What what is tribe? What is clan?

SPEAKER_01 0:46

What's family?

SPEAKER_06 0:47

What's family?

SPEAKER_01 0:50

All right. Well, a family, of course, is your immediate family, mom, dad, sisters, brothers.

SPEAKER_04 0:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 0:58

When you get into clans, it's more of grandparents, aunts, uncles, your immediate family, but not your immediate family. Are you with me?

SPEAKER_06 1:12

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:13

Bigger family.

SPEAKER_06 1:14

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:14

At large.

SPEAKER_06 1:15

So that would be like aunts, cousins.

SPEAKER_01 1:18

Cousins. Right. If we lived in a quote unquote tribal lifestyle, right? Or pagans, if pagans went out and said, okay, we're going to start our own community like we've heard other places decide to do, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:37

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:38

You know, we're going to we're going to start this Christian community, or we're going to start this Muslim community. If pagans decide to come together, the the first layer there would be the tribe. And it would be, you know, we're going to we're going to work for work on supporting each other first and foremost.

SPEAKER_05 1:56

All right.

SPEAKER_01 1:56

In our tribe. So again, why Bob might not, now Bob down the road might not be part of my tribe, and I'm going to sell him stuff at market value, but people inside my tribe, I'm going to sell everything at cost.

SPEAKER_04 2:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 2:13

Are you with me? And again, when you're when you're talking about tribes, there are multiple clans inside of a tribe. All right. So, but again, that the the treatment inside tribe is I'm giving you a better price or deal because I'm going to automatically trust you. You're part of my tribe. Right. You know, which just means we share the exact same culture, the same beliefs, generally speaking, right? Right. The whole idea we're all going to the same church. We're all going to the same temple. We're all worshiping. So we all hold the same values. All right. So basically, I should not have to worry about anybody in my tribe hitting on my partner.

SPEAKER_05 2:58

Right.

Trust, Trade, And Shared Values

SPEAKER_01 3:00

Everybody's, nope, we can't do that. We know who. Yeah. Now, when it comes to clans, though, the way it used to be done was if you were a woman and you got married to someone of a different clan, you would move to that clan's land and become a part of their family.

SPEAKER_04 3:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 3:21

And if you were a guy, you would marry somebody and you would bring your wife to into your clan and get along with your mother and all that. And that's and this was mainly done to you know weed out that whole inbreeding thing.

SPEAKER_05 3:40

Right.

SPEAKER_01 3:41

You know, which you know, that way we don't marry our first cousins too many times or something like that.

SPEAKER_06 3:47

Uh which is always a nice thing, right?

SPEAKER_01 3:50

Yeah, yeah, you know. You know, it's nice to have a few branches off that tree. I just say it. Clan lifestyle used to give us the ability to wear, yeah, you might have that uncle that never got married and all this, and okay, maybe an alcoholic or a drug or whatever, but because they were kept on the clan's land and were never really allowed to go out onto the general populace without escort, their chances of getting trouble are down less.

SPEAKER_05 4:24

Right.

SPEAKER_01 4:25

Because you didn't want to look bad to any you didn't want anybody in your clan to make you look bad in front of all the other clans.

SPEAKER_05 4:33

Right.

SPEAKER_01 4:33

Because there's this mutual respect inside the tribe for each other. So again, you know, shame shaming shame inside of cultures is not necessarily a bad thing all the time. All right. Shaming stuff over people that can't that they can't control is completely different.

SPEAKER_06 4:52

Right. Right. Things that can be controlled. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:58

Right. If you have a tendency to hit go ahead and always hit on the wrong person, it's best to have a family member to go, maybe you shouldn't do that, because we always know where in the world this winds up.

SPEAKER_04 5:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:11

You know? Maybe it's not a good idea for you to have that third beer while we're at the restaurant. Let's go home and you can have that third beer then and that fourth, and you can have a third in your own house.

SPEAKER_06 5:22

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 5:23

All right, because nobody in the family is gonna really get mad at you for you raising cane out in the middle of your little where in the world you are away from everybody else.

SPEAKER_05 5:34

Right.

SPEAKER_01 5:35

As long as you're as long as you do your responsibility to the clan. Because inside clans, it was sort of like clans are about the only place where I will sit here and say socialism works.

SPEAKER_04 5:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 5:51

What I mean by that, that same uncle we were just talking about may be the main person that raises the pigs.

SPEAKER_05 5:58

Right.

SPEAKER_01 5:59

And as long as he raises the pigs and and and gives them so the whole family can have pigs, nobody cares that he gets drunk or whatever, as long as he doesn't do it in public.

Marriage Across Clans And Social Order

SPEAKER_06 6:09

And he still gets his share.

SPEAKER_01 6:11

And he still gets his share. And again, the reason this works only inside families is because at the end of the day, your grandma grandma was not gonna let any of her babies go to bed hungry.

SPEAKER_05 6:24

Right.

SPEAKER_01 6:25

And at the end of the day, in most clans, the eldest woman, your grandmother or your great-grandmother, is the one pulling the strings, going, No, everybody has to eat.

unknown 6:36

Right.

SPEAKER_01 6:36

We all make the food together, we're all gonna eat together, and you know, that's the way it is. Some nameless politician, you know, millions of miles away that have never met you doesn't care if you're not starving or if you're only having to eat oatmeal every single day.

SPEAKER_05 6:55

Right.

SPEAKER_01 6:56

So again, I don't think it actually works as a governing force for a country or even a tribe. Right. And most tribes, uh, the grandparents do own the means of production because they own the land. Right you're just sort of living there for free.

SPEAKER_06 7:17

Right. And it doesn't get passed down until something happens to them.

SPEAKER_01 7:21

Right, and it only gets passed down to the next person to take their place as the new grandparents or the new matriarchy or patriarchy of the family.

SPEAKER_05 7:30

Right.

SPEAKER_01 7:33

So again, it it's that whole it again, it's that whole entire concept of what the serfdom and kingship. But not that bad because again, most clans, I want to say most clans were like maybe max 150 people.

SPEAKER_06 7:53

Probably. It's probably a good estimate.

SPEAKER_01 7:57

Yeah, and the and the best thing to show you what I'm talking about is uh there's a few shows out there. Uh there was uh a movie with Patrick Swayze called Next of Ken. That was pretty good that sort of shows this pribal type living I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_06 8:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 8:14

And another one was called what, The Outsiders?

SPEAKER_06 8:18

Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:20

It's about a family that lives way up in the mountains, and the modern cities tries to run them off, and they're still living a more royal, rural style life, a hillbilly style life. And again, they have a lot of more of this clan style living that I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_04 8:40

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 8:41

All right, maybe not to the extent, again, this is all hyped up for TV and stuff.

SPEAKER_06 8:46

Of course it is.

SPEAKER_01 8:47

Go figure, you know. Truckloads. Unlike our modern life, where what what connection do we really have?

SPEAKER_06 8:59

We don't really. I mean, everything's so separated.

SPEAKER_01 9:03

Well, no, growing up, my grandparents didn't live more than five minutes away. But in the days of old, grandparents would have been close enough to where, hey, if I was gonna run away and live with grandma, hey, we're just talking about me going a few acres over.

SPEAKER_05 9:21

Right.

SPEAKER_01 9:22

Versus a few miles down the road. Are you with me?

SPEAKER_06 9:28

Yeah. I mean, one of my grandparents, they were they were almost an hour from us.

SPEAKER_01 9:35

Right.

SPEAKER_06 9:36

And the other one I could walk to.

SPEAKER_01 9:39

Right. So walking to grandma's house should be a normal thing, I believe, that we should have in society. You know, it but it bothers me too that we are leaving one of the most essential things that we need to live in the hands of big corporations and stuff like that, which is food supply. And again, don't get me wrong, I'm not sitting there going, hey, you need to 100% grow all your own food, but no, you should at least grow a nice proportion of it for yourself. I mean, regardless of hotel or I mean an apartment or whatever, grow as much as you can. Because again, I losing that connection to nature like that just bothers me that we got people, we got people nowadays that don't understand where milk comes from. They don't understand where eggs come from.

SPEAKER_06 10:36

How do you not know?

SPEAKER_01 10:37

You ask them, hey, you get it, it's just at the store.

SPEAKER_06 10:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 10:43

But anything beyond the store, anything beyond the grocery store, they have no idea how it's done.

SPEAKER_06 10:49

Lord. Can't believe anybody's like like that.

When Clan Socialism Works

SPEAKER_01 10:53

When it comes to food, people are like, huh? I don't people will sit there and hold ground beef and not be able to it's ground beef. Well, yeah, but where does it come from? I I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 11:05

I mean Oh my lord.

SPEAKER_01 11:08

They don't understand that this is the muscle and fat from a cow.

SPEAKER_06 11:13

That's uh ground up. Yeah, that's definitely sad. We should that should be remedied.

SPEAKER_01 11:20

It's that whole entire thing, you know, hey, if we just get the internet back, we can order whatever we need.

SPEAKER_05 11:26

Right.

SPEAKER_01 11:29

Really? I mean, there's more to it than just that. Again, I think we need to bring that lifestyle back. We should be living on multi-generational land around multi-generational families. You playing with your cousins, you know, to the point where they're almost, you know, like your brothers and sisters is a good thing.

SPEAKER_06 11:55

Yeah, it would be nice if we could say it'd be nice if we could get back to that. I don't know how. I don't know how.

SPEAKER_01 12:03

I mean, well, well, where I see a lot of this happening is with a lot of people wanting to do the homesteadings.

SPEAKER_06 12:12

Well, yeah. But again, you gotta have land for that. And if your family, you know, if your if your clan isn't on board with that, then you've got to do it all yourself.

SPEAKER_01 12:27

Uh yeah, and then you're gonna have to raise your family to be, hey, here's what's gonna happen. Yeah, no, the my boys are gonna get land when they get old enough to build houses on so they can bring wives here and have more kids.

SPEAKER_05 12:45

Right.

SPEAKER_01 12:46

Girls, you know, I I'm sorry, but yeah, our expectations for you to get married and move away.

SPEAKER_05 12:52

Right.

SPEAKER_01 12:54

You know, you know, no no offense to them, but that would be the expectations. And again, well, to do that, part of that doing that is yes, find getting places where we have multiple clans and stuff like that, you know. Why it does seem to be harder to do it alone, but again, if you're getting married and you got kids and you do have parents or grandparents that are like, hey, or aunts and uncles really, this makes sense. Let's all pull our money together and buy some land, we'll put it in this name and start it. It could happen.

SPEAKER_06 13:31

It could. It could.

SPEAKER_01 13:34

You know, even non-families could technically do this. Hey, multiple families get together going, okay, no, we're not related, but we're going to we're gonna live as if we are a clan.

SPEAKER_06 13:45

Right, turn it into more of a co-op.

SPEAKER_01 13:48

Right.

SPEAKER_06 13:49

Where everybody's invested.

SPEAKER_01 13:51

Right. With the ultimate goal of having multi-generational families living on one land. And as as everybody gets bigger and y'all get more people, that's more money coming in of people working jobs, and maybe not everybody has to go and get a job. And some people can stay at home and run a farm 24-7.

SPEAKER_05 14:13

Right.

SPEAKER_01 14:15

And not have to worry about insurance and all this other stuff or worry about getting paid because other members of the community are kind of chipping in.

SPEAKER_05 14:25

Right.

SPEAKER_01 14:25

Of or excuse me, of your your made-up clan, I guess.

SPEAKER_05 14:30

Right.

Modern Life And Food Disconnection

SPEAKER_01 14:32

I I don't have a problem with this. I mean, we we had this whole entire concept of, and again, it was more in the gay community than anything else, that we well, our families might have not wanted to have anything to do with us, so we would just make our own families and our own friends.

SPEAKER_05 14:51

Right.

SPEAKER_01 14:51

And our own ties.

SPEAKER_05 14:53

Right.

SPEAKER_01 14:54

Taking that same concept to making our own plans, why not?

SPEAKER_06 15:00

Yeah, I mean, there's no reason not to.

SPEAKER_01 15:03

As long as y'all were working together and you know, as long as you make sure that Bob actually does know how to raise pigs, and it's not just bullshit, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 15:12

Right.

SPEAKER_01 15:13

Why not?

SPEAKER_06 15:14

I mean, it it it would be I I see such benefit in this. There's go you go back to the old adage, it takes a village, right, to raise to raise a kid. You've got that added benefit to where you all kind of take care of each other.

SPEAKER_01 15:31

Well, it it makes certain other things, because again, I I'm gonna encourage, I would encourage people to homeschool. I mean, let's admit it, the the public school system ain't worth crap. I don't care what state you're in, or unless you're going to some fancy school that most people can't afford. You know, I'm sorry, I see Lady Keegan and I her kids are damn smart as hell.

SPEAKER_05 15:58

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 15:58

She homeschools them. And yes, they they learn year-round. I I'd still encourage all of us to do that. I still see where it's a more of a an actually a feature of our belief system that we encourage this. You know, just like we should be encouraging people to again, if you get married and you're young, have babies. Have babies while you're young.

SPEAKER_05 16:23

Right.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

When you can enjoy them. Don't have them when you're older, when you can't. I mean, you you know, it's different when you can actually get into the floor and play with your kids and go out there and actually play the games with the kids.

SPEAKER_05 16:37

Right.

SPEAKER_01 16:37

Instead of you're sitting there going, oh, uh my back. Open my back. This is one of the things I think clan living would do. It would allow younger couples to be able to have kids at an earlier age and with not having to worry about schooling, not having to worry about daycare. Yes, you might have to go work in a meal or something to survive, you know, for the clan survival, but it's not like they're not surrounded by family and cousins and other people.

SPEAKER_06 17:09

Yeah, it's it's just like I said, you each you take care of each other. Everybody takes care of everybody. It's essentially.

SPEAKER_01 17:18

I don't want to sit here, I don't want to sit there and you know, really get down all the daycare workers, but at the end of the day, they're they are workers. I mean, are are they really going to go the extra mile that you know that aunt would for your kid because, well, he stumped his toe, or she happens to be feeling bad that day, or sick, or you know, to do the stuff grandmas used to do for us when you know, because when we got sick and we didn't go to school, we had to go to grandma's house because mom worked. And I'm sorry, I I just don't see a daycare worker pampering me like my grandma did. Are you with me? Because I I'm a grandkid.

SPEAKER_06 18:02

Right. I was gonna say they don't have the same investment.

SPEAKER_01 18:06

Right. So, I mean, it just goes to no, they're not gonna I'm not saying they don't love the kids and won't do it, uh, but again, there's still there, there, there's a little something else there when it's my grandkid or it's my grandma, or exactly. You know, it's my uncle, it's my you know, there's a little bit more pride there, I guess, or there there is that familiar family connection that you actually have with these people. Right. This this is how this stuff's really supposed to work. I think this is how we're really supposed to be living. The more I think about this, and the farther you go back in time, you and you see where in the world we were living in smaller and smaller groups, more this behavior happening because it was a means of survival.

SPEAKER_05 18:53

Right.

SPEAKER_01 18:54

Because I mean, I hate to be this way. How many of us would be desperately useless if the power goes out tomorrow?

SPEAKER_06 19:00

Probably the majority of people.

SPEAKER_01 19:02

So how many people would die automatically just because the power permanently goes out?

SPEAKER_06 19:09

Yeah, because they don't know how to grow food or anything like that.

SPEAKER_01 19:13

Don't know how to clean or well, so I read and again, I'm I'm general populace here, all right? I remember there was a bad snowstorm where we live at North Carolina, us getting the snow is very rare. When we do get it, it's pretty bad. So, and I remember we had one where people were dying because they were bringing the grills inside, lighting them up.

SPEAKER_04 19:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:40

All right, or or they didn't have power, or they would bring their generator inside and yeah, their gas-powered generator, the gas-powered generator inside.

SPEAKER_06 19:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:50

For as much as we want to say we're intelligent, the reason there's warning labels is because someone did that somewhere. Someone used their hairdryer in the shower, hence the reason why it's on there. All right, if you want the level of stupidity of mankind, read warning labels. And remember, somebody did this.

SPEAKER_06 20:15

Yep, somebody had to do it for it to be there.

SPEAKER_01 20:18

All right, so no, my faith in humanity being smart is not very high sometimes. Generally speaking.

SPEAKER_06 20:27

I get it. Me neither.

SPEAKER_01 20:30

You know, so why would I trust some unknown person with something as valuable as my kids?

SPEAKER_06 20:39

Right. No, I would I would much rather trust somebody that I knew.

SPEAKER_01 20:44

A family member or something. Well, I know the dangers of I've heard it, yes, you know, kids get abused by more family members than not, but I really believe if you got enough family members together, nobody's actually ever really left alone. Right. For too long.

SPEAKER_05 21:01

Right.

SPEAKER_01 21:02

I I've lived in one of those houses where you got a bunch of people. Getting alone time is very difficult. Difficult.

SPEAKER_06 21:13

And rare.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

But when you do it and you do appreciate it when you get it. You know, because I I was raised in a large, uh semi-large family, so it is hard to it's hard to get away with bad behavior in this type of setting.

SPEAKER_06 21:32

But I think it um I think it would also like teach like a sense of responsibility. You know, we're always talking about honor the land, honor your ancestors, honor your kin, honor the spirits, and all this other stuff. And this creates that perfect opportunity where you're teaching the kids, you know, hey, look, if you respect the land and you and you plant it and you till it and you do all this other stuff. It will give back to you, you know.

SPEAKER_01 22:03

If you take care of this land, it will take care of you.

SPEAKER_06 22:06

Right. And this is treat it with respect. Well, and the same thing with your elders, you know, we're taking care of you, you take care of us. It's a whole reciprocity thing.

SPEAKER_01 22:17

Right. I love this idea. I I hate we ever got away from it. Right. We you gotta remember humanity used used to live this way for how many eons?

SPEAKER_00 22:31

I mean, for how many generations before? I couldn't even tell you. It's um I mean we a long time.

SPEAKER_01 22:38

We've we've only quit living this lifestyle since the modern age. Right. Since this whole industrial revolution, the whole nine yards. This is the first time we've ever lived this way. I don't I don't think it's healthy for us to live in places like New York and Chicago. Those big, and I don't mean that just them like Charlotte and all this, these big cities. I don't think that's healthy for us. I think we really need to spread out more.

SPEAKER_06 23:08

That and you know, we've we've gotten away with the with the advent of large cities and and all of that, we've gotten away from being in touch with the land and being in touch with the seasons, and it's it's created a detachment, you know.

SPEAKER_01 23:25

Well, and I don't mean this mean, but it's hard to have an attachment to the land when you're renting an apartment.

SPEAKER_06 23:30

Exactly, and you're you know, 20 feet off the ground.

Kids, School, Daycare, And The Village

SPEAKER_01 23:34

And you're right, and you're not sitting there working the land, you know, getting food from it the whole nine yards. Now, don't get me wrong, I if you want to live this type of lifestyle and you live in the city and you're still that single parent with a kid, I still think you can do this. I I think but I just think you have to change your tactics. You you start with the neighbors around you when you start more of that tribal setting of families working together and then maybe pulling your resources to buy 10 acres of land outside the city to start to farm and work on the land a little at a time. So before that, you sit there and you go, hey, but you know, I live all the way out. We can't do this because of I think you can. It just takes time. You know, it it it may take a few generations for you to get land and stuff, but hey, go for it.

SPEAKER_06 24:27

I was gonna say time and a little effort, you know.

SPEAKER_01 24:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 24:32

And what's uh what's the old saying that you know, anything that's worth it is worth putting a little effort into?

SPEAKER_01 24:39

Yep. I know some people might sit there and ask me, you know, about this, and they're like, well, what happens if you want to leave the farm? I I'm not suggesting we get rid of cities. I'm not suggesting that we don't still need I I'm not gonna sit here and tell you iPads aren't cool and that we're gonna still want to buy them.

SPEAKER_05 25:01

Right.

SPEAKER_01 25:02

Even though we're living in a more, you know, clan type setting. Being able to leave the farm and go work in the city for six months, make enough money to go back and maybe buy some more, help the family buy more land or work for six months just to have health insurance for your family. I don't have a problem with that. If you don't want to live on the farm, you can just stay in the city all the time if you really want. I just I I think we just need to make it in society to where it's not that comfortable or easy to have a family inside the city.

SPEAKER_06 25:38

Well, I mean, it's say I just I kind of see that as like the Amish. The Amish have a time when their kids reach a certain age, they um right, I think they call it Rumspringer or something like that, where they allow the kids to go out and experience the world. And sometimes the kids come back and they're like, I don't want to do this anymore. And sometimes they're like, you know what, I want to go live in the city.

SPEAKER_01 26:04

So again, I don't want to think of the I don't want people to think if if we were to move to a society like this, that I would want one where if you were raised on a farm, you had to stay on the farm. I I would want it to where you still have the the freedom to leave if you really wanted to.

SPEAKER_00 26:20

Right.

SPEAKER_01 26:21

At the heart of it, you still know you still got a place to go back to that will accept you back if you if they really want you. You know what I'm saying? Oh, absolutely, yeah. Because that most people don't turn family away just because they decided not to move back home.

SPEAKER_05 26:37

Right.

SPEAKER_01 26:39

And we started to push this whole entire culture of this nuclear family, and I I don't like that either. We we shouldn't have done that, we shouldn't have gotten rid of the Waltons.

SPEAKER_06 26:48

I no, I I I completely agree. And I was I was gonna say, I think I think that something like this would actually restore or at least help to restore that type of mentality where the family, you know, the family was important and the family stayed together. I I think this also creates an opportunity for framing your uh your daily tasks like gardening, cooking, crafting, you know, all these things as connection, connection to spirit, connection to the divine. It it integrates, it reintegrates your daily life with spirituality.

SPEAKER_01 27:34

Oh yeah. Trust me, it is completely different when you're sitting there pulling the tomatoes off your vine, walking inside and making your own marinara sauce and eating something from scratch.

Land, Cities, Freedom, And Spiritual Practice

SPEAKER_06 27:46

Right. And then, you know, and when this happens, the way we s the way the way I see it, and probably the way you see it, is you know, your homestead, the entire homestead is no longer just a residence. The whole the whole place, the land, the home, the everything is a is now a ritual space.

SPEAKER_01 28:11

Yes. You you you you are living our belief system right then and there. Exactly. I mean, because you you are living as part of nature.

SPEAKER_06 28:25

Right. It becomes an actual living religion.

SPEAKER_01 28:28

Yes. At that point, that's where that's why it's I think that's why we separate our our religious life now from just our lives. It's because we took that part away and threw it away and put labels and wrapped it in plastic instead. So just saying. I mean, don't get me wrong. I I love the convenience of a grocery store, but it does have its perks.

SPEAKER_06 28:59

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Send us an email, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 29:09

I know. Tell us how much you hate us.

SPEAKER_06 29:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:12

Alright.

SPEAKER_06 29:13

Until then, we're gonna go get some more coffee. Thanks for listening. Join us next week for another episode. Pegan Coffee Talk is brought to you by Life Temple and Seminary. Please visit us at Life Tempelseminary.org for more information, as well as links to our social media: Facebook, Discord, Twitter, YouTube, and Reddit.

Closing And How To Support

SPEAKER_02 29:34

We travel down this trodden path, the maze of stone and mire. Just hold my hand as we pass by a steel blazing fires. And so it is the end of our days to walk with me till morning breaks. And so it is the end of our days to walk with me till morning breaks.