Pagan Family Values

Join Lady Keegan, Second Degree Priestess, and Lord Knight, Elder and Third Degree High Priest, on this enlightening episode of Pagan Coffee Talk, as they explore the heart of pagan family values. From raising children with traditional pagan principles to fostering multigenerational households, Keegan and Lord Knight dive into how pagan families can maintain strong bonds, preserve craft traditions, and teach responsibility, work ethic, and spiritual independence.

Discover insights on matriarchal leadership, Celtic family traditions, homeschooling, and community building within the pagan faith. Whether you're interested in raising children with pagan ethics, nurturing family heritage, or understanding how pagan families balance personal growth with collective responsibility, this episode offers practical wisdom for modern pagan households.

If you’re looking to strengthen your family, pass down Celtic-inspired values, or simply learn more about how pagan households function in today’s world, this discussion is a must-listen.

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SPEAKER_04 0:02

Welcome to Pegging Coffee Talk, a traditional Wiccan podcast where we will discuss topics affecting the Pegging community from a traditionalist perspective. The topics we discuss are picked from our magical hat and the discussions are unscripted. The talk will be led by Lady Keegan, second degree priesthood. It's joined by Lord Chase Knight Smith, Elder and High Priest of Third Degree. Pegan Coffee Talk is brought to you by Life Temple and Silver.

SPEAKER_02 0:38

Welcome to Pagan Coffee Talk. I'm Keegan, and as always, Lord Knight. So today we're talking about pagan family values. What are they? What are they good for?

SPEAKER_01 0:52

What you mean you mean where you actually are going to uh state that you know pagans actually have values? Oh that's a little bit different from ethics and morals, right? Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:08

I was gonna say don't even mention ethics and morals, values.

SPEAKER_01 1:12

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You you still have that taped to the bottom of the hat, so you never have to pull it out.

SPEAKER_02 1:18

I never have to pull that one out. It's an 84-year-long training session of ethics and morals. Never ends.

SPEAKER_01 1:28

Well, let's think about this. Because really what we're talking about is how a pagan family functions, correct? Or someone who follows more like our tradition. All right, which everybody still gets confused out there and wanting to call us Wiccans when we're not.

SPEAKER_02 1:45

No, we're not.

SPEAKER_01 1:46

No. We're not.

SPEAKER_02 1:49

No.

SPEAKER_01 1:51

But well, let's start with this, okay? Let's start with the example of your family. So if we get too personal here, stop me. Generally speaking, there's you, your husband, and your kids.

SPEAKER_02 2:03

Generally.

SPEAKER_01 2:04

Generally. All right. That's your family.

SPEAKER_02 2:10

Generally, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Okay. Okay. And the point here is that families work on more of a socialist type function over anything else. And because if you look at it this way, the parents actually own the means of production.

SPEAKER_02 2:29

Even the babies. We produce those too.

SPEAKER_01 2:32

Yeah, y'all produce those too. You give them food, you feed 'em. This in our tradition is more matriarchal. And the women tend to run the family. And the reason being is because Nana don't let any of her kids go starve.

SPEAKER_02 2:52

Right.

SPEAKER_01 2:53

There's that mindset right there.

SPEAKER_02 2:56

Typically, women are nurses, yes.

SPEAKER_01 2:58

Right. Your kids grow up, and you're gonna want to try to convince them, A, to marry some nice traditional witch girl. Or guy. Person. Whatever. Yes. They they must be traditional. All right. I mean, and and again, this is, you know, most moms I know in your type of condition, uh, that are sitting there going, okay, well, situation. All right. And it's kind of like, yeah, I love my kids, but you know, I want them to be independent often think for themselves. All right. So again, like I said, you know, you, just like most moms, are gonna want them to date a nice traditional person and have kids.

SPEAKER_02 3:46

And raise them. Traditionally, and raise them.

SPEAKER_01 3:48

And right. This is not something I don't think you're gonna argue with. A a Pegan mom's gonna argue with her kids.

SPEAKER_02 3:57

Right.

SPEAKER_01 3:58

Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_02 3:59

It makes sense to me.

SPEAKER_01 4:00

Yeah, that there is no argument here.

SPEAKER_02 4:05

It's interesting. The way that I do it with my children, I had Christianity forced down my throat. I think you did too. We're in the South, so I think a lot of people have Christianity forced down their throat. And I'm not gonna do that with my kids. I'm not gonna force my religion on them. However, they do have certain things that I slip it in. You know, with the Celtic history, um hunting, you know, this is what boys do, and you know, learning how to cook and different things. You know, I kind of slip in pagan values and I don't think they know that that's exactly what I'm doing. But I think it's important to set those down.

SPEAKER_01 4:47

Because again, yeah, because your goal is eventually to get them educated enough and successful enough to where they can buy the property on either side of your house.

SPEAKER_02 4:58

Um, yes. All right, little village out here.

SPEAKER_01 5:03

This is still the concept that we're talking about, that their kids will do the same thing and their kids will do the same thing. This is how these families, how in the world you wind up with these families like the uh the the old families or the or the train families or the banking families.

SPEAKER_02 5:21

The Rockefellers.

SPEAKER_01 5:22

Right. And there's a reason why we refer to them as families, because it's these are family-owned businesses and stuff like that. Where the family has pulled all the resources together to make either a successful farm or a successful business. Because again, here's probably how this is gonna go in my head, the way I'm looking at it. You tell me if I'm wrong, is you know, when your kids get married, you're gonna be looking at their spouses, going, okay, which one of y'all are gonna take my place? You know, I need to make sure that this woman that y'all are married and bringing into my family is gonna hold up my values and keep the family moving the way I want.

SPEAKER_02 6:01

Or man.

SPEAKER_01 6:02

Right. You know, again as long as he's pagan, I don't care what the weird the idea is that this is the homestead and everybody's gonna buy around him, and we're going to keep on funneling to make sure that you know your your your cousin Oliver.

SPEAKER_02 6:20

Cousin Oliver.

SPEAKER_01 6:21

Cousin Oliver gets to go to college and get an education and learn a field that he can bring back to the family.

SPEAKER_02 6:30

I think a lot of people you raise your children, they're 18, they leave the house, get a job, go to college, whatever. Um, and I think that comes from and you're not gonna like it, but I think it comes from the capitalistic society that we live in. You train them to get out there, make that money, make that money, make that money.

SPEAKER_01 6:48

You're not completely wrong here, but uh the point here is is that if you're studying to be a doctor and the only place you can be a doctor is to move out to California, that don't make no sense.

SPEAKER_02 7:01

Right.

SPEAKER_01 7:02

Are you with me? Because sometimes you get pulled away from these jobs to other states because there's nothing in your area.

SPEAKER_02 7:12

But a doctor.

SPEAKER_01 7:14

You know, hey, but you know, you being a doctor, yeah. Uh we want you to go learn to be a doctor or a nurse or whatever, and then we want you to come back here and live among the family. Because you're gonna be doctoring the family for free.

SPEAKER_02 7:25

Of course.

SPEAKER_01 7:26

Anybody outside the family, you're gonna be charging them.

SPEAKER_02 7:29

What is it you say? What is the thing?

SPEAKER_01 7:32

The first family, then clan, then tribe.

SPEAKER_02 7:35

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:37

Yeah. This is again, you know, this is another one of our little ethics point. This is how we take care of things. First we take care of our family. Then we can take care of our clan, which in nowadays could be our coven or religious group, right? And our tribe is nothing more than our country.

SPEAKER_02 7:56

And so they'll pay taxes.

SPEAKER_01 7:59

You know? I mean, w everybody's gotta pay taxes somewhere. I mean, I don't know too many countries you can go to and not have to pay taxes of some type.

SPEAKER_02 8:08

I don't like the idea of you're eighteen, get out. At eighteen, what do you know? You know nothing.

SPEAKER_01 8:14

What no well no at eighteen, yeah, I could see you sitting there going, okay, you're gonna get out. No, you're gonna get out and go to this house over here.

SPEAKER_02 8:22

On my land.

SPEAKER_01 8:24

You know. Me and your father are gonna help you purchase this land, you're gonna get an education and you're going to, you know, get a job and contribute to the family.

SPEAKER_02 8:35

Absolutely. Now don't get it wrong. I'm not going to model them, okay, you can stay here and do nothing, and I'll feed you until you're 50. No.

unknown 8:44

No.

SPEAKER_02 8:44

You're going to work, you're going to have some training, some education, whatever that is that they choose they want to do. But as far as, you know, okay, get out there and and set down roots somewhere else. No, the roots are here. This is where their roots are.

unknown 9:01

Right.

SPEAKER_02 9:02

And I want them to raise their family here and their family and so on.

SPEAKER_01 9:06

But again, you want to encourage them to where in the world they can find jobs or do things there. Not you don't want to encourage them to be a doctor or a rocket scientist and have to move all the way to somewhere wherever, you know, NASA or Elon Musk is building a new rocket.

SPEAKER_02 9:24

Um, no, I don't want that. But it's really hard for them to say this is my dream, this is something I want.

SPEAKER_01 9:30

Right. And kind of be like, well, we're gonna learn a balance. We're gonna have to learn a balance there.

SPEAKER_02 9:39

But family first, and I think you're right. I think a lot of people don't do family first, right? Like uh, God, how many old people do we know that are in nursing homes and stuff? They get old and we chuck them off to the side. I am of the belief you take that that old granny and you put them up in your house and you take care of them the way they took care of you when you were when you were little and they have wisdom, even if they have dementia like mine did, there was little gems of wisdom hidden in the You had to dig deep, but it was there.

SPEAKER_01 10:11

You had to dig deep. You know, and and and even without that, but having that older person there to sit watch kids.

SPEAKER_02 10:19

Or what you know, hit one in the head every once in a while. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 10:22

Or just sit there and educate, you know. Right. Because again, I'm I'm sure you're gonna look at your kids and go, Oh no, they're not gonna go to school. I will homeschool your children. My grandkids, my grandbabies are not gonna go into that mess.

SPEAKER_02 10:38

Absolutely not. I will teach them.

unknown 10:42

Right.

SPEAKER_02 10:43

It's my responsibility, it's a parent's responsibility to instill education into your children.

SPEAKER_01 10:48

Right, but we're talking about your grandkids now.

SPEAKER_02 10:50

Grandkids, great grandkids. Right until I'm dead.

SPEAKER_01 10:53

You're gonna be looking at your kids going, no, that ain't gonna work.

SPEAKER_02 10:58

And hopefully I instill those values in them. So it's not a conversation we even have to have. It's just no. Well, of course she's gonna, you know, homeschool her my children.

SPEAKER_01 11:08

Right. With the hope there that, you know, one of them might either be, you know, a vet or something to where you can keep animals on side.

SPEAKER_02 11:16

Husbandry, animal husbandry, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:18

Yeah, you know, to where you can raise some pigs or some chickens and stuff like that, and actually start making your own food.

SPEAKER_02 11:25

Anything but goats.

SPEAKER_01 11:27

You know, because again, once you're starting to make your own food, what are they gonna do? Starve you out, you can make your own food. Right. I mean, because we hear these things and stuff like that, it takes a village, it takes a village. You gotta make a village first.

SPEAKER_02 11:43

Yeah, you gotta have one.

SPEAKER_01 11:45

You know, the way I'm looking at it, this is how these Celtic places started. Let's go back to the real basics. It started out with one family that just slightly grew. It slightly grew more and grew more to to you know to where they were now helping each other out. Families need to do that again.

SPEAKER_02 12:06

Oh, gosh, I agree.

SPEAKER_01 12:08

There is no reason why anybody should be, especially in a family and stuff like that, should be sitting around worried about food. When your grand because I I'm sorry, my grandparents ran a little farm. My grandpa worked, grandma stayed at home. They they had a quite a big farm, and now there's enough food coming out of that farm on, you know, tomatoes and cucumbers and stuff like that. I don't ever remember m my mom buying vegetables growing up during the summer.

SPEAKER_02 12:41

I was gonna say, only in the winter you gotta hunt those tomatoes down.

unknown 12:45

Right.

SPEAKER_01 12:47

You know, I mean it was only light during the winter. I mean, they produced enough, and on my mom's side of the family, they had like four kids. And nobody will go in hungry.

SPEAKER_02 12:58

Something, something has happened. I don't I'm not sure what it is.

SPEAKER_01 13:03

Yeah, in my generation, which we were forced to learn how to work on farms and stuff like that. And then I see my like my nieces and nephews, they weren't taught the same way we were.

SPEAKER_02 13:14

So what happened? Why not?

SPEAKER_01 13:16

I I don't know. It was kind of like, you know, my mom and dad just like threw their hands up, like, never mind, we're not doing this anymore. Well, in the pagan world, do you think Well, I think in the pagan world that the monarch or the the lady of these families has enough authority to pull them around and go, uh, no. In front in front of everybody, going, no, that ain't what you're gonna do.

SPEAKER_02 13:42

No, and you got something there. My my grandfather was the monarch.

SPEAKER_01 13:47

Right. It would have been different for my mom to look at me as a teenager and go, no, you're gonna live in the basement. Yeah, we realize you're gay, whatever. Ignoring that, but if they would have ignored that, yeah, it could have been, hey, you're young, you're strong here, you're gonna go out here and work the fields, the rest of the family's gonna work. You don't have to worry about feeding yourself power, nothing else.

SPEAKER_02 14:10

Right.

SPEAKER_01 14:11

But we want you to do this and learn this instead.

SPEAKER_02 14:15

Right.

SPEAKER_01 14:16

Because it will help the family in the long run. And your children and their children and their children, and you're gonna have to teach the grandkids and so forth and so on.

SPEAKER_02 14:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:29

We gotta bring those types of values back where you know when we talk about families living somewhere, we're talking about multiple generations, not just three, but four or five.

SPEAKER_03 14:41

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 14:43

To where you got great grandparents running around not really saying anything. You know, or too old to actually do anything, and they just kinda like sit around.

SPEAKER_02 14:52

Well, you know, help out. My grandmother was the monarch of the family, and we never no one got married without talking to her, introducing her to the potential spouse when someone was pregnant. Granny was the first one that they would go to and and tell um any bad thing happened, it was all we gotta go tell. She was the ringleader, and we were a family of seventy-two. That's children, cousins, great-grand. I mean, that's but we were a family of seventy-two, and she was the glue. She was the glue.

SPEAKER_01 15:29

You know, I saw this in my grandma doing the same thing, this type of behavior. Yeah, my grandma came from more country roots than most. You know, um, when I'd like talking to her about like, you know, feminism and stuff like that, grandma would just look at me like, well, you know, that's insane. Let's see them try to feed you know, five or six people, keep a family going, run a farm, you know, run, run, run a garden, can and do all this other stuff, and then come back and sit there and say, you know, women weren't smart or you know, the husbands didn't know or treated them like that. That's bullshit.

SPEAKER_02 16:09

I agree.

SPEAKER_01 16:10

Oh yeah. Yes, were there some out there that did it? Yeah, but not all of them.

SPEAKER_02 16:17

Not all of them, and they knew their value. I think our grandmothers knew their value, they knew what they could do, but they had, or at least mine did, she had an a a huge respect for men. When she made a big dinner, the children were fed first, and then the men. Right. She had a huge respect for the men.

SPEAKER_01 16:41

You know, some people see this as subservience, but they don't realize, you know, and I I guess it might be more of a southern thing that we're talking about here, but I knew my grandma could halt something in like five seconds flat.

SPEAKER_02 16:55

Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:57

An argument, a disagreement, um somebody didn't, you know, do something like she stop it with a look. And my grandpa would just be sitting there going, Well, I didn't have to do it.

SPEAKER_02 17:12

Yeah. And that's true. And that that's definitely absolutely accurate, at least for us. That's how I was.

SPEAKER_01 17:19

I mean, my mom would do the same thing. It was kind of like, oh Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:26

And she, you know, and my grandmother was very she didn't want her kids to leave. And her grandbabies, and she wanted everybody to live around. When they started leaving the state, it it upset her a whole lot. I mean, it it bothered her.

SPEAKER_01 17:39

Oh, I I have an uncle, and he is a um he builds the buildings, does the blueprints.

SPEAKER_02 17:48

Architect?

SPEAKER_01 17:48

Yeah, he's an architect but for buildings. But and he used to have to go out of the and grandma used to get all upset when he'd move his family to Tennessee or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 18:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:01

And I remember when I finally had to move like to Maryland for a little while to for a job, and she was like, My mom was all like, I'm glad your grandma's away. She wouldn't live through this.

SPEAKER_02 18:13

You know, there's something about it, it it bothers them. They can't stand it. Why not only are you leaving the area, but you're leaving the state. And my granny, I remember her hearing her say, please don't set roots down. Go out there, find yourself, but come back. Please don't set roots down out there.

SPEAKER_01 18:29

Well, see now, now we when I was growing up, we lived like maybe 10 minutes from grandma's house. I could walk there. I could really walk there if I wanted to, and maybe 30 minutes, 45 minutes, right?

SPEAKER_02 18:43

Not too bad.

SPEAKER_01 18:44

Not too bad. I could walk to their house if I had to. Uh as a kid, as a little kid. And we moved from there to where we were more than 20 minutes away. My family did, and we were getting more land and going farther out into the country, but my grandma about had hissy fit. But now you're about 20 minutes away. Oh no, I can't have that.

SPEAKER_02 19:08

Well, it's unnatural. Can you explain to me why this woman, why would I have children and watch them grow up and find a significant other and then have babies and then leave? It's heart-wrenching. Why? How does that make sense? Why would this happen?

SPEAKER_01 19:28

I don't know. I mean, like I said, you know, I all I can tell you is like, you know, my grandma was really happy because one of my aunts lived like right beside of her. She would have been even more happier if, you know, we lived across the street from her. And she lived at like the end of a dirt road.

SPEAKER_02 19:44

No, it would be fantastic. And then she wouldn't have to worry if if she had failing health or if she needed help. She's it's right there. We're all family. We're right there. Nobody has to worry. Oh, we need a babysitter. No, you don't. Uncle Joe's and over here. You know, you don't have to.

SPEAKER_01 20:01

I mean, when we were out of grandma's house, you know, out playing, we did anything wrong. Yeah, the neighbors or my aunt or something would call up grandma. What are them kids doing?

SPEAKER_02 20:12

Oh, you got grandma called up. The aunt would whoop me. I mean, anybody and grab you up and just tan your buttons and you're on your way. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 20:21

I can't tell you.

SPEAKER_02 20:21

I'm telling you, grandma too.

SPEAKER_01 20:23

I I can't tell you how many times I was jerked back into my grandma's house by, you know, a relative or a neighbor that we knew real well and be like standing there going, Your grandkid did this. I know who you are. I know who you are. You know, they were down at the creek and they come back covered in, you know, clay. That gray clay.

SPEAKER_03 20:45

Going down to the creek.

SPEAKER_01 20:47

Going down to the creek, getting covered in gray clay, and it's in your hair.

unknown 20:54

Oh God.

SPEAKER_01 20:55

No, no, no. That was in the backyard with the hose. You ain't coming in my hand. You just my I just want my floors, and you're beginning to spray down with the hose. Stop! It's cold. Well, you should have thought about that before you went down there and got in the creek, got covered in meat.

SPEAKER_02 21:12

And my grandma did those things. Now, it's like grandma grandparents have such a small, or from what I've seen, not everybody, but from what I've seen, they have such a small, tiny role. It's like we see them on Thanksgiving and Christmas. It didn't used to be that way.

SPEAKER_01 21:29

But no, now now you're getting a lot of these old older people, you know, that that quote unquote the boomers, my parents' generation, your parents' generation, who were like, Well, you know, we stayed at home and we've saved up all this money. Now we want to travel and go do.

SPEAKER_02 21:45

What is that?

unknown 21:47

Oh my God.

SPEAKER_01 21:51

Because we didn't get to do it because again, they didn't get to do it as kids. They had to go to work and do all this stuff.

SPEAKER_02 21:58

Well, sometimes. And I believe this is a movement of selfishness. Sometimes you have to go, what's best for my family, not myself? And I think people forget how to do that. It's me, self-care and and my time and this. It's like, oh. Think about it for yourself.

SPEAKER_01 22:15

Well, think about it this way. We're we're teetering between two philosophies here. One philosophy is that of the individual.

SPEAKER_02 22:24

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 22:25

Right? Yeah. To where in the world you get to make choices for yourself.

SPEAKER_02 22:30

Right.

SPEAKER_01 22:31

On what you want to do and blah, blah, blah. All right? Versus the concept of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of uh the needs of the one.

SPEAKER_02 22:40

Yeah. Falcon. You can't go wrong with philosophy.

SPEAKER_01 22:44

And everybody thinks you either you have to pick one philosophy or the other. Well, actually, both philosophies are true.

SPEAKER_02 22:51

Yes, they are.

SPEAKER_01 22:53

Sometimes when you're in this situation, yes, family members will have to come up to the mom and go, hey, for me to get this and to get this money for us to do this, I'm gonna have to move to a different state.

SPEAKER_02 23:05

Okay. But how about this, Lord Knight? You've got a situation and somebody goes, Yeah, I just don't like this country town, and I just need some different scenery.

SPEAKER_01 23:14

Scenery?

SPEAKER_02 23:15

Right. That's selfish. No. You can suffer with the rest of us and you can be here and help your family.

SPEAKER_01 23:23

Yeah, I mean, I don't get to be the cool kid on the block and you know that you see on TV.

SPEAKER_02 23:28

I would like to think that on my deathbed I'm not saying wish I would have left my family. Like, gee, I wish I should have traveled. I hope I'm saying I'm so glad I was surrounded by all my family my entire life.

SPEAKER_01 23:42

My entire life. You know, the fact is I never walked out outside in the middle of the night and worried about anything because everybody around me was family. They're not going to do anything to me.

SPEAKER_02 23:56

This is I mean, and I it's maybe it's a fantasy world for most pagans, but I believe uh a lot of us feel, yeah, get it get you a village with your pagan family that go on.

SPEAKER_01 24:08

Why not? Have a temple, go there, have a place to worship. Have everybody take care of it. You know. You know, open to your eyes of what you can do for others.

SPEAKER_02 24:22

What? Don't get crazy.

SPEAKER_01 24:28

Well, I mean, I d but I hate to be this way. I mean, there's a lot of us in the priesthood. All right, and of course I use the priesthood very broadly. Uh very umbrella. In the priesthood, we give up a lot to know what in the world we do. And I've spent multiple years.

SPEAKER_02 24:51

Multiple. You ain't even give a time.

SPEAKER_01 24:53

I have I'm not even gonna give it. I have spent years sitting here talking to people, counseling to people, thinking of things, and trying to reflush out certain concepts and possibilities, looking into the past and the Celtic history. Um and I'm sorry I put all the all this effort in, but yet I see other people just not even doing that much. Whatever little book's on the shelf right now, hey, that's good.

SPEAKER_02 25:23

Well, that's because it's just about them. You know, not craft itself, it's just about them. And you tell us the first thing, what's the most important thing? Preserve craft. These people that you're talking about, it's not preserving craft, it's about their self-improvement, their mental health, their well-being. It has nothing to do with craft or preserving it or others or anything like that.

SPEAKER_01 25:47

Again, you know, I'll sit here and I'll say, okay, yes, we when it comes to religion or spirituality or religion, uh, you need to be a little bit selfish.

SPEAKER_02 25:57

You need to be a lot selfish.

SPEAKER_01 25:58

You need to be a lot selfish because the better you are spiritually, the rest of the stuff falls in. You don't have to use magic that much. I hate to be this way. I know a lot of people might not like that, but get the hell over it.

SPEAKER_02 26:12

Tough nooggies.

SPEAKER_01 26:13

Tough nooggies. All your problems are caused by you. All family problems are caused by the family.

SPEAKER_02 26:21

Ah, all family problems are caused by that crazy uncle that lives in the basement.

SPEAKER_01 26:28

You know, but uh again, you're not gonna sit there and try to think that it's something else.

SPEAKER_02 26:34

Right.

SPEAKER_01 26:36

We take care of ourselves, we accept responsibilities of our actions in a family and I'm sorry, when you got these values going on in a family, I don't think you've got too many problems.

SPEAKER_02 26:46

No, when everybody has those same values.

SPEAKER_01 26:50

You know, when your kids are looking at you going, Yeah, I broke the window. Okay. Well, now you're gonna have to clean up the glass and you're gonna have to learn how to fix the broke window. You're gonna have to physically do it. We know you can't pay for it, but you're gonna physically learn how to do this. Of course, you know when you're dealing with a what five-year-old.

SPEAKER_03 27:10

Exposure to the biggest.

SPEAKER_01 27:12

That might be a little bit different, but But it won't lie about it.

SPEAKER_02 27:16

That's the cool thing. I'll be like, did you do that? Yes, I did.

unknown 27:19

Yes, I did.

SPEAKER_02 27:21

Clean it up. No, see you later.

SPEAKER_01 27:23

See you later. And you don't want him to have because you know all I can say, I I know I've I've met your kid, I've met your I've met your five-year-old, and I'm like, no, I would not want him around glass, he will cut me.

SPEAKER_02 27:35

Yes. Dangerous. Just get out of here and let me do it. I'll do it myself.

SPEAKER_01 27:39

This is let me do it. I'll do it myself.

SPEAKER_02 27:43

But he's five, he don't count, he's five. They're crazy, they're crazy little people.

SPEAKER_01 27:47

Now, your oldest, on the other hand, yeah, no problem. I'd have to tell him 12 times, hey, don't put your knees on the floor, don't put your knees on the floor, don't put your knees on the floor. If I tell you not to put your knees on the floor one more time, I'm smacking you in the back of the head.

SPEAKER_02 28:01

Three strikes and you're out in this house. No, he's pretty cool. He said um he was upset because there's an area on the highway that he used to call the jungle. And it was just a bunch of um what is that weed underbrush. No, no, no, it's a specific type. No, no, no, no, it's a specific type of weed. It's like a vine, it's not native here. I think it's illegal to plant it.

SPEAKER_01 28:26

Oh, uh kutsu.

SPEAKER_02 28:28

Yeah, kutsu. So it is a bunch of kutsu, and he called it the jungle, and he loved this part of the highway. They cut it down. They're gonna make a parking lot there or a building or whatever they're doing, but they cut it down their pavement, and he was so upset and he said, Why would you take nature away for parking lots? This doesn't make any sense. And I said, Well, what are you gonna do? And he said, Well, I'm upset. And I said, What are you gonna do? You're gonna sit here and talking to me about it? And he was like, No, I'm gonna plant trees. I'm gonna get a bunch of trees and pine cones and I'm gonna plant them. I'm gonna sneak over there, I'm gonna plant them back. And I said, Here's the good thing to that. He knew that he's gonna have to get off his butt and do something. He's not just gonna sit there and complain that he's unhappy about it. He's gonna do something.

SPEAKER_01 29:18

He's gonna do something. Go out, volunteer, do something. Looking at him and going, Yeah, but you know what they what they put down is a very evasive plan and shouldn't be here.

SPEAKER_02 29:28

I love kutsu.

unknown 29:30

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 29:31

I know I'm in the minority, but I love it. I would everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 29:37

You know, and to you're the one having to like, you know, get it out of your backyard.

SPEAKER_02 29:42

Why don't you get it out of your backyard? You know, I want this plant to cover up my house.

SPEAKER_01 29:47

The thing grows three feet a day.

SPEAKER_02 29:50

I love it.

SPEAKER_01 29:52

All right. No, it means it could come it because it's actually because it's so evasive and it takes over so much, all these trees and stuff that it covers, it kills off. It literally chokes everything out underneath it.

SPEAKER_02 30:07

Well, that seems like a tree's personal problem to me.

SPEAKER_01 30:10

Gets started, it should it no, it shouldn't have been here.

SPEAKER_02 30:15

No, it's not native. No, you're right.

SPEAKER_01 30:16

It is not native. You know, and apparently it it grows too fast to be nutritious for animals to eat.

SPEAKER_02 30:28

And you know the goat won't eat it.

SPEAKER_01 30:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:31

But I like it. I like like a room house away to know I live here. I love it. My son, he's gonna he's gonna pan. We have pine. Pine, pine, pine, and so he's he's gonna plant pine trees, make his little forest back. I was like, worst case, get you some ivy.

SPEAKER_01 30:47

Ivy's just pretty Yeah, what d are you trying to tell me I need to send some uh get up some oak acorns up and and send up there?

SPEAKER_02 30:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 30:58

So yeah, I can plant some oak trees.

SPEAKER_02 31:02

That's so awesome. He was like, Yeah, I'm gonna do this. So I'm like, see. He was not gonna sit here and complain to me. He knows he has to get off his butt and do it. Do something about it. And I think that's another pagan value that we have. We see a problem and we're like, we have to fix this somehow. What can we do to fix this somehow? We have to do something.

SPEAKER_01 31:20

All right. Well, I think I'm out of coffee and you.

SPEAKER_02 31:25

Uh yes, I am.

SPEAKER_01 31:27

All right, I guess I guess we'll see everybody next week.

SPEAKER_02 31:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 31:32

Thank you for listening to Peggy and Coffee Talk. I hope you join us next week.

SPEAKER_00 31:39

We traveled down the strode stone in my hand as we pass by the body.